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Lady-Anne |
Elizabeth and her mother's memory
Aug 11 2009, 6:16 PM EDT
| Post edited: Aug 11 2009, 6:17 PM EDT
I hope this has not been discussed somewhere else and that I'm starting a new thread for nothing but having heard about this ring that belonged to Elizabeth into which was hidden a portrait of Anne Boleyn, I was wondering why (in your opinion) did she kept the memory of her mother so fondly...After all, her mother died when she was 2 and a half, I personnaly have very fragmental memories of this very particular age of my life... So I guess, unlike her sister Mary who had the chance to grow more or less with a motherly figure, Elizabeth did not have many images of her mother living to which holding on to in order to keep her in her mind... Plus, I suppose she grew up with the shadow of this woman who brought her to life but brought her misery too, by her "supposed" misbehaviour... Are there any records of what Elizabeth might have said about Anne? Did she ever talked about her at all? That's a long post! I hope you can light me up on this, lovely wiki people!^^ Do you find this valuable? |
Jes89 |
1. RE: Elizabeth and her mother's memory
Aug 11 2009, 9:45 PM EDT
"i think this have been discussed before, but i'm no sure...So Elizabeth,unlike her brother and sister could not talk about her mother because she was executed as a traiotor, talking in a good way about her was the same to say that Henry was wrong in his judgment of Anne,and Elizabeth always made everyone to remember that she was the daughter of her father,a intelligent way to say that she was no bastard,since she couldn't reverse in parlament her illegitimacy, what Mary did.Also, she barely knew her mom, but she knew Anne loved her, and the love was reciprocal,Elizabeth grew up listining to thinks like "the daughter of the whore","the bastard" and things like that.It's sad that all henry's children suffered some kind of damage,so Mary reverse the law who made her bastard and catherine wa again queen and demand to make a lot of paints of Catherine in her reign, Elizabeth used her mother's crown in her coronation and a ring with Anne's face, they found ways to say that they loved theirs mothers too much.Just don't know about Edward... Do you find this valuable? |
luvprue2 |
2. RE: Elizabeth and her mother's memory
Aug 12 2009, 2:40 AM EDT
"I hope this has not been discussed somewhere else and that I'm starting a new thread for nothing but having heard about this ring that belonged to Elizabeth into which was hidden a portrait of Anne Boleyn, I was wondering why (in your opinion) did she kept the memory of her mother so fondly...I think since Elizabeth never really got to know her mother, she could imagine her anyway she choose to. I'm sure Elizabeth knew both good stuff and bad stuff about Anne. How she truly felt no one would ever know. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
elizabethtudorrose |
3. RE: Elizabeth and her mother's memory
Aug 31 2009, 4:14 PM EDT
Hi LadyAnne,Bess never spoke of her mother but once when she was much older and it was to an ambassador in her court. I can't remember what her reply was!! But as far as I know, she never mentioned her mother and didn't want others to. She probably remembered a woman w/dark hair and sparkling eyes; dressed in wonderful gowns laden w/jewels who came to visit her, but then came no more. Bess knew something was wrong when the visits stopped and the gossiping servants told the story. When told of her situation after Anne died and she was declared a bastard, she stated to her (I guess) Butler, ''why my lady princess yesterday and only lady Elizabeth today?" She was less than 3 yrs old!! She was sharp as a tack. She always seemed one step ahead of her teachers as she grew and was on top of everything. Even to knowing to study how kingdoms survived or fell according to history. She read much history about England and other countries. She was preparing herself to be a queen. I think she was born knowing she'd be queen someday, she was that smart. And she never forgot anything she learned nor repeated a mistake. Peace, ETR Do you find this valuable? |
MsSquirrly |
4. RE: Elizabeth and her mother's memory
Aug 31 2009, 5:05 PM EDT
She actually did refer to her several times and we have a nice little article here on the wiki written by a history major here : http://tudorswiki.sho.com/page/Queen+Elizabeth+I+controversies
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elizabethtudorrose |
5. RE: Elizabeth and her mother's memory
Sep 1 2009, 9:13 AM EDT
"She actually did refer to her several times and we have a nice little article here on the wiki written by a history major here : http://tudorswiki.sho.com/page/Queen+Elizabeth+I+controversies"Thanks for the heads-up MSSqu! Regards, ETR Do you find this valuable? |
Shadow_in_the_Sun |
6. RE: Elizabeth and her mother's memory
Sep 1 2009, 2:16 PM EDT
That ring is one of the most interesting Tudor artifacts I have ever come across; it is really amazing. I had no idea that a statue of Anne was at Elizabeth's coronation, though!
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BoleynGirl |
7. RE: Elizabeth and her mother's memory
Sep 1 2009, 5:33 PM EDT
"She actually did refer to her several times and we have a nice little article here on the wiki written by a history major here : http://tudorswiki.sho.com/page/Queen+Elizabeth+I+controversies"beautiful page.... Do you find this valuable? |
Reggie19 |
8. RE: Elizabeth and her mother's memory
Sep 1 2009, 7:48 PM EDT
"That ring is one of the most interesting Tudor artifacts I have ever come across; it is really amazing. I had no idea that a statue of Anne was at Elizabeth's coronation, though!"Yes, the saying 'actions speak louder than words' is so true where Elizabeth and her mother were concerned, pity she couldn't remember her so well... Do you find this valuable? |
lettice |
9. RE: Elizabeth and her mother's memory
Sep 3 2009, 6:40 PM EDT
"I hope this has not been discussed somewhere else and that I'm starting a new thread for nothing but having heard about this ring that belonged to Elizabeth into which was hidden a portrait of Anne Boleyn, I was wondering why (in your opinion) did she kept the memory of her mother so fondly...Elizabeth did not speak of her mother, but as Queen would listen to others' memories Do you find this valuable? |
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BoleynGirl |
10. RE: Elizabeth and her mother's memory
Sep 7 2009, 6:32 AM EDT
"Yes, the saying 'actions speak louder than words' is so true where Elizabeth and her mother were concerned, pity she couldn't remember her so well..."yes indeed...so true!!! Do you find this valuable? |
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elizabethtudorrose |
11. RE: Elizabeth and her mother's memory
Sep 7 2009, 8:14 AM EDT
To Elizabeth:Happy 476th Birthday! ETR Do you find this valuable? |
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Reggie19 |
12. RE: Elizabeth and her mother's memory
Sep 7 2009, 8:55 AM EDT
"To Elizabeth:Holy Moly! Happy Birthday Lizzy! Do you find this valuable? |
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lettice |
13. RE: Elizabeth and her mother's memory
Sep 7 2009, 1:51 PM EDT
"To Elizabeth:That's right! September 7,1533. She's a Virgo; how appropriate! Happy Birthday, Bess!!! Do you find this valuable? |
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Imponthenet |
14. RE: Elizabeth and her mother's memory
Sep 7 2009, 2:36 PM EDT
As goes the end of the poem about Children of the Week, "The child born on the Sabbath Day is blythe and bonnie and good and gay."( Remember back then that "gay meant "cheerful").I know Elizabeth was born on a Sunday, but with her temperment it's not always easy to ascribe the aforementioned to her. At one point in her reign, she was described as "very merry".Hers certainly was an unforgettable and lively period in English history. Do you find this valuable? |
