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Lady-Anne |
1. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 26 2009, 4:51 AM EDT
It actually doesn't really matter she'd wanted it or not, the fact was that some people wanted to see her as queen, thus she was a threat to Mary who applied the sentence for every ruler's threat: death. Even though it partly led to the bad picture Mary left for posterity, or more exactly the picture her ennemies left of her...Don' get me wrong, I do feel sorry for Jane and her husband and so on, but History is full of victims, I think Mary did what she thought was best. And, there's no way to know what Jane would have done of Mary if she'd stayed Queen... Probably the same thing... Do you find this valuable? |
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BoleynGirl |
2. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 26 2009, 7:16 AM EDT
"I think Mary had no right to behead jane. she did nothing wrong. i hate mary for this. and feel for jane. She was forced to become queen in the first place she did not want it."I agree with you....Mary did very bad things....but I wonder even if she didn't want to execute her could she let her be free??I often wondered this because I have read that Elizabeth the I didn't want to execute her cousin Mary Stuart but she was made to because of the law..I also read that she gave orders to stop the execution but it was too late....Is it true??? Do you find this valuable? |
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Reggie19 |
3. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 26 2009, 7:29 AM EDT
"I agree with you....Mary did very bad things....but I wonder even if she didn't want to execute her could she let her be free??I often wondered this because I have read that Elizabeth the I didn't want to execute her cousin Mary Stuart but she was made to because of the law..I also read that she gave orders to stop the execution but it was too late....Is it true???"I've heard those rumors too, i also heard that Mary was away at the time of Jane's execution, but i could be hearing things? Do you find this valuable? |
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Jes89 |
4. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 26 2009, 7:45 AM EDT
"I think Mary had no right to behead jane. she did nothing wrong. i hate mary for this. and feel for jane. She was forced to become queen in the first place she did not want it."Of course Jane was innocent,and Mary never desired to execute her cousin because she knew she was innocent,but she was "something to fighting for" Mary's advisores knew it and urged her to leave her kidness out and executing her cousin.Mary never desire to get rid of Jane and was very impacted for do it. Do you find this valuable? |
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Jes89 |
5. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 26 2009, 7:47 AM EDT
"It actually doesn't really matter she'd wanted it or not, the fact was that some people wanted to see her as queen, thus she was a threat to Mary who applied the sentence for every ruler's threat: death. Even though it partly led to the bad picture Mary left for posterity, or more exactly the picture her ennemies left of her...Agreed! Do you find this valuable? |
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angelosdaughter |
6. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 26 2009, 1:32 PM EDT
"I agree with you....Mary did very bad things....but I wonder even if she didn't want to execute her could she let her be free??I often wondered this because I have read that Elizabeth the I didn't want to execute her cousin Mary Stuart but she was made to because of the law..I also read that she gave orders to stop the execution but it was too late....Is it true???"Both Mary and Elizabeth executed cousins to avert the danger both women posed to their throne. Mary is vilified, Ellizabeth not so much. In Jane Grey's case, her parents who were behind pushing her to take the throne and cut Mary out. and of course, Edward who was Protestant disregarded the succession rights of his Catholic sister and even his Protestant sister in favor of his Protestant cousin. We can never know if he did so willingly or was forced to it during his death agony by his advisers. I always thought that Jane's parents should have been right up there on the scaffold, too. or maybe instead of, Jane. Mary did not want to execute her cousin; nether did Elizabeth, but the two women willingly or not, provided a rallying point for the two Queens' opposition. Elizabeth was also in that position in relation to her sister, Mary, and may even have encouraged the opposition. That is why Mary kept her sequestered and also for a time placed her in the Tower. In this time of absolute monarchy the ruler had to be secure in his or her rule. Since Mary loved Elizabeth in spite of their differences, as a sister, I doubt she could have brought herself to execute her. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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BoleynGirl |
7. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 26 2009, 4:11 PM EDT
"Both Mary and Elizabeth executed cousins to avert the danger both women posed to their throne. Mary is vilified, Ellizabeth not so much. In Jane Grey's case, her parents who were behind pushing her to take the throne and cut Mary out. and of course, Edward who was Protestant disregarded the succession rights of his Catholic sister and even his Protestant sister in favor of his Protestant cousin. We can never know if he did so willingly or was forced to it during his death agony by his advisers. I always thought that Jane's parents should have been right up there on the scaffold, too. or maybe instead of, Jane.Agreed!! Do you find this valuable? |
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s.rochie |
8. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 26 2009, 8:09 PM EDT
Interesting discussion. Jane was initially pardoned by Mary after the 9-day fiasco in which she was made Queen against her will. Mary realised that the moving force behind the whole misguided venture had been John Dudley, Duke of Northumberland - who had married one of his own sons to Jane a few months previous. It was only later, when a rebellion led in part by Jane's Father (who had also been pardoned) failed and it then became necessary to dispatch Jane. Also, at the time Mary was considering a marriage to the Catholic Prince Philip of Spain, and he was very reluctant to risk coming to England while Jane lived. So, poor love, her fate was sealed. It does indicate, however, that at the start Mary was not anywhere near as ruthless and cruel as she is later portrayed as having become. We are fascinated by Jane because she was an innocent - a bit like Anne Boleyn, but minus the glam. You might like this: http://www.squidoo.com/jane-grey SR Do you find this valuable? |
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LadyJaneGrey.Faithxx |
9. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 26 2009, 9:53 PM EDT
"It actually doesn't really matter she'd wanted it or not, the fact was that some people wanted to see her as queen, thus she was a threat to Mary who applied the sentence for every ruler's threat: death. Even though it partly led to the bad picture Mary left for posterity, or more exactly the picture her ennemies left of her...Wow. You made me see a diffrernt view of it now. I understand that Mary was doing all she could to secue her throne. But I still think that she wasnt such a great ruler. I admier her for a amazing part of history but I still think people don't call her 'Bloody Mary' for nothing. She killed over 500 people for not believeing in God in the ways she does. You are compleaty right when you say history is fill of victims. An dI to think Mary did what she thought was best. Yet I fell it was not the right disscion. But I don't think that Jane would have done the same time. She is thought to be a Kind, caring person. Although I don't believe she would have become a great ruler as Henry VIII was or Elizabeth I. Do you find this valuable? |
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LadyJaneGrey.Faithxx |
10. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 26 2009, 10:21 PM EDT
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"Of course Jane was innocent,and Mary never desired to execute her cousin because she knew she was innocent,but she was "something to fighting for" Mary's advisores knew it and urged her to leave her kidness out and executing her cousin.Mary never desire to get rid of Jane and was very impacted for do it."I agree. I don't think Mary did desire to kill Jane, but Mary's advisores told her that if she were to let Jane out she would be a treat to her throne. At this I disagree, Jane never wanted the throne in the first place. Mary should have beheaded he new father in law and her paranets, she could have carried on living a life without care, But if it wasnt for Marys advisores Jane would have been able to do just that. Do you find this valuable? |
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angelosdaughter |
11. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 27 2009, 12:47 AM EDT
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"Wow. You made me see a diffrernt view of it now. I understand that Mary was doing all she could to secue her throne. But I still think that she wasnt such a great ruler. I admier her for a amazing part of history but I still think people don't call her 'Bloody Mary' for nothing. She killed over 500 people for not believeing in God in the ways she does. You are compleaty right when you say history is fill of victims. An dI to think Mary did what she thought was best. Yet I fell it was not the right disscion. But I don't think that Jane would have done the same time. She is thought to be a Kind, caring person. Although I don't believe she would have become a great ruler as Henry VIII was or Elizabeth I."Mary was also a kind caring person , but those on all sides of the religious persuasions of the time believed in burning for anyone they considered heretics. John Knox and Martin Luther advocated it as well as the Catholic Church. Jane Grey was of the same dour Protestantism as Edward. If he had lived he would no doubt have burned heretics as had his father before him. Jane probably would have, too. It wasn't a matter of kindness, but the religious beliefs of the time. Henry VIII, by the way, executed many more people than his eldest daugther, some just for defying his will, but, oddly enough, no one calls him "Bloody Henry". If Mary had not set the stage, Elizabeth would have had a much harder time as a Queen regnant. Do you find this valuable? |
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angelosdaughter |
12. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 27 2009, 12:49 AM EDT
"I agree. I don't think Mary did desire to kill Jane, but Mary's advisores told her that if she were to let Jane out she would be a treat to her throne. At this I disagree, Jane never wanted the throne in the first place. Mary should have beheaded he new father in law and her paranets, she could have carried on living a life without care, But if it wasnt for Marys advisores Jane would have been able to do just that."No, because other malcontents would have still used Jane as the figurehead for their rebellions. The only way to be sure that this would not happen, as awful as it seems to us, was to remove Jane. Do you find this valuable? |
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Jes89 |
13. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 27 2009, 9:10 AM EDT
"I agree. I don't think Mary did desire to kill Jane, but Mary's advisores told her that if she were to let Jane out she would be a treat to her throne. At this I disagree, Jane never wanted the throne in the first place. Mary should have beheaded he new father in law and her paranets, she could have carried on living a life without care, But if it wasnt for Marys advisores Jane would have been able to do just that."When i said "something to fighting for" i was referend to the fact that, some people would use her against Mary in some rebellion. Do you find this valuable? |
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Jes89 |
14. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 27 2009, 9:12 AM EDT
"Wow. You made me see a diffrernt view of it now. I understand that Mary was doing all she could to secue her throne. But I still think that she wasnt such a great ruler. I admier her for a amazing part of history but I still think people don't call her 'Bloody Mary' for nothing. She killed over 500 people for not believeing in God in the ways she does. You are compleaty right when you say history is fill of victims. An dI to think Mary did what she thought was best. Yet I fell it was not the right disscion. But I don't think that Jane would have done the same time. She is thought to be a Kind, caring person. Although I don't believe she would have become a great ruler as Henry VIII was or Elizabeth I."Please read the text i add in queen Mary 's controversies, is about her first days as reign,it says there how mary was kind and sweet and how her advisors criticized that on her.And how her way to rule changed when Wyatt's rebel come. Do you find this valuable? |
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s.rochie |
15. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 27 2009, 10:58 AM EDT
Elizabeth signed the death warrant for Mary's exectution, but was furious with her ministers when it was actually carried out, behind her back, without telling her exactly when it would happen. She wanted to send some of those resposnible to the Tower, and most were given very poor treatment, and ignored for many months afterwards. To execute another anointed Queen was a dreadful step for Elizabeth to contemplate, let alone to actually go through with, and she did it only with a really heavy heart. SR Do you find this valuable? |
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s.rochie |
16. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 27 2009, 11:00 AM EDT
No, Jane was only a girl of 15 at the time, and she knew nothing about it until the last moment. She was very brave, and refused to give up her protestant faith, even though it could have saved her life at the last minute.You might like: http://www.squidoo.com/jane-grey SR Do you find this valuable? |
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mary_bess_edward |
17. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 27 2009, 3:28 PM EDT
I was always under the impression that Mary didn't want to have Jane killed because she originally spared her but had no choice but to execute her when there was another rebellion in her name, and that Elizabeth did want Mary of Scots killed but she was just frightened of what would happen if she did because she was a legitimate queen and all the Catholic nations would come against her. Am i misinformed about Elizabeth?
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s.rochie |
18. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 27 2009, 6:07 PM EDT
"I was always under the impression that Mary didn't want to have Jane killed because she originally spared her but had no choice but to execute her when there was another rebellion in her name, and that Elizabeth did want Mary of Scots killed but she was just frightened of what would happen if she did because she was a legitimate queen and all the Catholic nations would come against her. Am i misinformed about Elizabeth?"That's about it. You explained it OK. The rebellion was jointly led by Jane's father and Thomas Wyatt (son of the Thomas Wyatt in the 'Tudors' programs. Prior to that Mary was willing to allow Jane to live - realizing that she was little more than a child and was only obeying the wishes of her parents in doing what she did. But it all changed with the rebellion - which is called Wyatt's rebellion, by the way. His army got right through to the streets of London in 1554, but were defeated by Mary's troops and the volunteers from the City. Elizabeth, meanwhile, like you said, was correct in her fears - because the execution of Mary ultimately brought about the Spanish Armada, when England was greatly endangered. SR SR Do you find this valuable? |
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LadyJaneGrey.Faithxx |
19. RE: Beheading of lady Jane Grey.
Jun 28 2009, 2:24 AM EDT
"Mary was also a kind caring person , but those on all sides of the religious persuasions of the time believed in burning for anyone they considered heretics. John Knox and Martin Luther advocated it as well as the Catholic Church. Jane Grey was of the same dour Protestantism as Edward. If he had lived he would no doubt have burned heretics as had his father before him. Jane probably would have, too. It wasn't a matter of kindness, but the religious beliefs of the time.Your right, i'm wrong, sorry. I guess it was all about religion back then. I just feel for Jane because in my eyes she was innocent. But you have your opinions, and they seem right. Do you find this valuable? |