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s.rochie |
Jane Grey
Jun 19 2009, 9:46 AM EDT
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Anyone interested in the tragic figure of Jane Grey, take a look at this page. http://www.squidoo.com/jane-greyIt also discusses the later Victorian attitude to Jane and how she became special to the writers and artists of those times. Do you find this valuable? |
BoleynGirl |
1. RE: Jane Grey
Jun 19 2009, 4:48 PM EDT
"Anyone interested in the tragic figure of Jane Grey, take a look at this page. http://www.squidoo.com/jane-greywell I have a question...Why did she become queen??? Do you find this valuable? |
TheLadyNatalie |
2. RE: Jane Grey
Jun 19 2009, 10:51 PM EDT
"well I have a question...Why did she become queen???"Well, I'm no historian, so this may not be entirely correct... But when Edward was dying he changed the succession to Jane, because Mary and Elizabeth were still legally illegitimate. It is extremely probable that the duke of Northumberland persuaded him into this, since Jane was married to his son. They were focused on keeping Mary off the throne, because she would bring back Catholicism to England, so Jane who was a devout protestant was a good answer. Jane was Princess Mary and Charles Brandon's grand daughter, so she was in line for the throne after elizabeth anyway, they just bumped her up a bit... ...haha that was awful, but I hope that helps a bit? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
MsSquirrly |
3. RE: Jane Grey
Jun 19 2009, 11:15 PM EDT
Another good site on Jane Grey is Professor Edwards "Some Grey Matter" : http://www.somegreymatter.com/index.htmlI believe he is writing a book and will answer questions on his site. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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s.rochie |
4. RE: Jane Grey
Jun 20 2009, 5:28 AM EDT
"Well, I'm no historian, so this may not be entirely correct...Yes, that's about what happened. It is assumed that Jane knew very little about the plan right up to the last moment when they offered her the crown, an offer she couldn't refuse. It was largely due to Dudley's scheming, of course, since it would have made his own son (Guildford Dudley) king consort. After just nine days as Queen, Jane was betrayed by the Privy Council - who hurried off to proclaim Mary as Queen after all (as was her right). It was a dreadful mistake - and Jane eventually lost her head after a failed rebellion was staged the following year to remove Mary. Alison Weir's 'Innocent Traitor' and Robert Parry's 'Virgin and the Crab' each tell the story from two very different angles. Very tragic episode, as Jane was just 16 when she died. SR Do you find this valuable? |
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BoleynGirl |
5. RE: Jane Grey
Jun 20 2009, 6:39 AM EDT
thanks for the information...:-)
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s.rochie |
6. RE: Jane Grey
Jun 20 2009, 8:46 AM EDT
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"well I have a question...Why did she become queen???"I don't think she had much choice in the matter - being only 15 at the time. She was a pawn in the game of politicians like John Dudley and her own father, Henry Grey. Her bravery was extraordinary, however. She could have saved herself by recanting her Protestantism, but refused. That is amazing for anyone at any period of history, to have that kind of faith and inner strength. I find her a very inspiring figure because of that. SR Do you find this valuable? |
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tjb22 |
7. RE: Jane Grey
Jun 21 2009, 12:31 AM EDT
"I don't think she had much choice in the matter - being only 15 at the time. She was a pawn in the game of politicians like John Dudley and her own father, Henry Grey. Her bravery was extraordinary, however. She could have saved herself by recanting her Protestantism, but refused. That is amazing for anyone at any period of history, to have that kind of faith and inner strength. I find her a very inspiring figure because of that.I think you're absolutely right, and to back that idea up, we only have to look at Mary's actions immediately after coming to the throne. There's evidence that indicates she didn't believe Jane herself was culpable but was used by others. She probably intended to pardon her eventually. She only had Jane executed when her father involved himself in further plotting supposedly on Jane's behalf and it was thought that after this Phillip would not come to England with her still alive. Interestingly enough, Mary never acted against her cousin Frances, Jane's mother. I think that says a lot as well. Henry would not have lost any time sending her to the block, and even Henry VII might have been tempted. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Jes89 |
8. RE: Jane Grey
Jun 21 2009, 12:50 AM EDT
"I think you're absolutely right, and to back that idea up, we only have to look at Mary's actions immediately after coming to the throne. There's evidence that indicates she didn't believe Jane herself was culpable but was used by others. She probably intended to pardon her eventually. She only had Jane executed when her father involved himself in further plotting supposedly on Jane's behalf and it was thought that after this Phillip would not come to England with her still alive.Mary told to her advisors a little time later jane was arrested(for many times they tried to make Mary's mind to execute Jane but she denied)She said that :"she was more the tool of others than an instrument in herself." 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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s.rochie |
9. RE: Jane Grey
Jun 21 2009, 7:48 AM EDT
Yes, it shows that at the start Mary's reign was relatively tolerant compared to the final awful years of persecution. Good intentions at the start. She even pardoned Jane's father after the nine-day fiasco - and then a few months later he went and took part in the rebellion. Was that madness, or what! And even then, as you point out, Jane's mother was still spared. I agree, too, that Philip certainly had no wish to come to England as long as the beacon of insurrection that Jane represented was still alive. How could she have avoided all this, poor kid? SR Do you find this valuable? |
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s.rochie |
10. RE: Jane Grey
Jun 21 2009, 7:50 AM EDT
"Mary told to her advisors a little time later jane was arrested(for many times they tried to make Mary's mind to execute Jane but she denied)She said that :"she was more the tool of others than an instrument in herself." "That's an interesting and revealing quote. She certainly had a certain John Dudley in mind when she said that, I should think! SR Do you find this valuable? |
