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MsSquirrly |
20. RE: Anne's sex life before Henry
Jul 1 2009, 5:00 PM EDT
"Was Anne married to Henry Percy??I thought not...They were lovers but who knows??"Only in fiction has it ever been stated that Percy and Anne were married. All noted historians of this period state is that they were secretly betrothed "to be married" but that their relationship was split up by Wolsey and both sent from Court. Percy was then married to Mary Talbot to whom he had been betrothed since they were children. Percy and Anne were said to be "a love match"....how far that went as to whether it was consummated, only they will ever know. However, It was not uncommon in Tudor times for betrothed couples to sleep together before marriage but their betrothal was no sanctioned by Percy's parents and they would have risked pregnancy , so I tend to think they may not have "gone all the way" so to speak. Do you find this valuable? |
tudorcrazy |
21. RE: Anne's sex life before Henry
Jul 3 2009, 10:14 PM EDT
I could be totally wron, but I thoiught it was common knowledge that they met in KOA cout, and that percy and her were in love. I will see if I can come up with my sources, but I have to go back to Anne. You are most likely correct, but do wqe know. I know Wyatt was unhappuily married, and that percy married talbot as planned. Sorry to speculate.
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tudorcrazy |
22. RE: Anne's sex life before Henry
Jul 3 2009, 10:18 PM EDT
"Yes, didn't Anne sort of tease Henry to say, she would not bed him untill Catherine of Aragon was compleatly out of the picture. And Henry wanted her, and he wanted her bad, so he did everything he could, but Anne held off the sex towards Henry untill it was clear to her she would be next queen. Kind of sleeping her way to the top!"As an experienced woman, thingsa haven't changed much. Anne was older when she married Henry, and was in thew french court. I do think she was shwerd in her cover up, but she was rusticated until Mary Boleyn failed to hold Henry's interest, even though I truly believe she gave him at least one child, maybe 2. Do you find this valuable? |
BoleynGirl |
23. RE: Anne's sex life before Henry
Jul 4 2009, 7:31 AM EDT
"Only in fiction has it ever been stated that Percy and Anne were married. All noted historians of this period state is that they were secretly betrothed "to be married" but that their relationship was split up by Wolsey and both sent from Court. Percy was then married to Mary Talbot to whom he had been betrothed since they were children.thanks!! Do you find this valuable? |
theanneboleynfiles |
24. RE: Anne's sex life before Henry
Jul 5 2009, 3:31 AM EDT
As far as sources are concerned on this matter, George Cavenish the biographer of Wolsey is the one that wrote of a secret love between Percy and Wolsey when Anne was Catherine of Aragon's maid. According to Cavendish, Henry VIII prevented the couple from marrrying and Percy was married off to Mary Talbot and arrangements were made for Anne to marry James Butler.In 1532 Mary Percy (Talbot) famously claimed that her husband had confessed that he was already pre-contracted to Anne, this was denied by both Percy and Anne. In his biography on Anne, Eric Ives says that there was probably some kind of relationship between Anne and Percy but says that it is impossible to know the actual level of this. Chapuys, the imperial ambassador and a man who hated Anne (and loved nothing better than spreading rumours about her), and who always referred to her as "the concubine", wrote of how Anne secretly married Percy in 1527 and the marriage was consummated. There is absolutely no evidence of this and a date of 1527 is far too late because Anne was already courting Henry by this time. Retha Warnicke, in "The Rise and Fall of Anne Boleyn", tells of how Anne's secret meetings with Percy led to "an exchange of de futuro marriage vows, which the Church considered binding only if they were followed by sexual intercourse". So, the couple were only married if these vows had been consummated. In the annulment of Henry's marriage to Anne in 1536, the decree referred to "certain just true, and lawful impediments, unknown at the making" - this could be talking about Percy but it could also be talking about other things and even the marriage agreed between James Butler and Anne. It is unlikely that Henry would have pursued Anne, and moved Heaven and Earth for her, if she had any scandal attached to her and if it was known that she had been betrothed to Percy. Do you find this valuable? |
