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Discussion: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats?

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Reggie19	40. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Aug 28 2009, 1:39 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 28 2009, 1:40 PM EDT "Thank you, I will definitely check that out. I am sure it is interesting and will be glad to learn more about it. I do not like the character at all on the show (so far anyway, but she may surprise me!) But as for the real life lady, I wouldn't be surprised if she was sexually harassed, seeing as Anne and KoA and other ladies were lied about and persecuted wrongly." Exactly right, the views that have been handed down to us about Anne Boleyn were as a result of her enemies, the same can be said of Kathryn Howard. It also doesn't help that Hirst admitted that he didn't like Kathryn Howard, so we can't expect a three dimensional portrayal at all! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SnowWhiteQueen	41. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Aug 28 2009, 2:19 PM EDT I didn't know that. Seems then he didn't like KH, so he wants the viewers to not like her. Makes sense then and explains a lot about the writing of the character and probably the actress that was hired. in any event, i will reserve my total judgment of the character until i see more of her. she may surprise me, other characters have done so. Maybe he will write her more accurate to real life next season. one can hope that will be the case Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Reggie19	42. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Aug 28 2009, 2:44 PM EDT "I didn't know that. Seems then he didn't like KH, so he wants the viewers to not like her. Makes sense then and explains a lot about the writing of the character and probably the actress that was hired. in any event, i will reserve my total judgment of the character until i see more of her. she may surprise me, other characters have done so. Maybe he will write her more accurate to real life next season. one can hope that will be the case" Indeed, people had problems with Natalie Dormer as well, but that changed with Season 2, hopefully the same will be said of Tamzin Merchant as Kathryn Howard, she did help Thomas Wyatt and Lady Salisbury. She wasn't the trollop everyone paints her to be, she was also kind, and i hope Hirst will show that! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
audietudor	43. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Sep 21 2009, 11:03 AM EDT "From the Tudors Season 4 Prediction Page: Will we feel sorry for Henry when we find out that Katherine Howard was cheating on him? And if so, will our pity last? Submitted by frogy23" Nope. I eagerly await Kitty's last royal SMACK down before Henry the ogre sends her off. He deserves it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
audietudor	44. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Sep 21 2009, 11:08 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 21 2009, 11:18 AM EDT "I will laugh when he finds out she's cheated on him. I can't wait to see his face. I also think that its a bit harsh to say that he didn't hurt Jane with his affair. She may have accepted it but you could tell she was hurting inside. She just knew her duty and pretended as if it meant nothing, especially since she was pregnant. She put all her focus on to that instead. He broke so many women's hearts that i have lost all sympathy for him now. The only person i will feel sorry for is Katherine, coz then we all know that her time is up!" I remember Katherine of Aragon actually TOASTING the man when his illegitimate son Henry Fitzroy was born. KOA tolerated many affairs even Anne Boleyn (until it became clear she was more of a danger than the other women). And of course Jane Seymour was hurt-but like KOA she took the high road. I'm glad the historical Henry was HURT at least to some degree the jerk. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
LadyBeiss	45. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Sep 22 2009, 7:12 AM EDT umm, NO! By the time Katherine Howard came around, Henry was an old foagie and should have kept his greasy paws off the teenage tail! Serves him right for choosing a lady so young that she couldn't possibly have been physically or sexually attracted to him. That, and everything else you all have been saying about what goes around comes around. Serves him right! Good thing for him that he couldn't be condemned for his infidelity. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Chocobasse10	46. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Monday, 3:03 AM EST \| Post edited: Monday, 3:03 AM EST I will feel sorry for him only for the fact that I can't stand Kitty! It was her own fault what happened to her. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
henry's7thwife	47. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Monday, 3:30 AM EST \| Post edited: Monday, 3:30 AM EST "no not at all lol he deserved it even though i disagree she had an affair, this is beside the point since they will add it in to the show for popularity i do however wonder if they will mention the fact that thomas culpepper is Katherines cousin? XDXDXD *runs off singing "Kitty is innocent i tells ya" "she did not cheat"" Though I am a fan of Henry VIII, I admit that I will certainly not feel sorry for him. It was hypocritical of him to expect fidelity when he gave none, even though it was a male dominated society back then. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Reggie19	48. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Monday, 5:38 AM EST \| Post edited: Monday, 5:38 AM EST "I will feel sorry for him only for the fact that I can't stand Kitty! It was her own fault what happened to her." That is, if we're clear on what did happen, she never admitted to adultery, only pre-marital affairs! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Chocobasse10	49. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Monday, 6:32 AM EST \| Post edited: Monday, 6:32 AM EST As far as I know, she had had an affair with Culpepper, and to me she seemed too stupid/arrogant/ignorant not to care about her reputation. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
henry's7thwife	50. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Monday, 7:39 AM EST \| Post edited: Monday, 7:39 AM EST "As far as I know, she had had an affair with Culpepper, and to me she seemed too stupid/arrogant/ignorant not to care about her reputation." I don't think that tells the whole story, By Katherine Howard's time, Henry was definitely losing it. Most of us do not take into account the strain he must have faced during the break with Rome. He dealt with it for around 30 years, pulling this way and that with the religious issue. It is very possible that Howard was not really cheating on him - but her behaviour led to her death because Henry probably had become severely bipolar (looks like it). Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Reggie19	51. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Monday, 12:14 PM EST \| Post edited: Monday, 12:14 PM EST "As far as I know, she had had an affair with Culpepper, and to me she seemed too stupid/arrogant/ignorant not to care about her reputation." She never admitted to having an affair with Culpepper, not even when she was in the Tower, and due to be executed anyway. It was expected back then to confess ones sins before they were due to die, and this was something that was taken very seriously during Medieval times. If Kathryn had been unfaithful, she would have admitted it before she was the executed, but she didn't. She admited to premarital affairs, and so Henry made it legal to execute someone for disguising their past from him, Kathryn was beheaded on a charge that didn't even exist until after she committed it! As for being stupid, arrogant and ignorant, i think that is extremely harsh. If she was foolish, and ignorant, we have to remember she was a very young girl, as for arrogant, sorry, can't agree with you there, her behaviour doesn't come across as arrogant! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
AJBates	52. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Monday, 12:21 PM EST \| Post edited: Monday, 12:21 PM EST I agree with Reggie, I personally don't think she had an affair with Culpepper, and if she did so she most likely did prior to her marriage. The only thing we know is that she meant alot to him and that she loved him cause her dying words were that she would rather be his wife then the queen (I know that's not the exact quote it's flip floped). I think she knew the risk of cheating on the King and I don't think she would have. She was beheaded for"lying to the King" but also that Henry was most likely jealous that other people have meant things to her besides just him. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
henry's7thwife	53. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Monday, 12:25 PM EST \| Post edited: Monday, 12:26 PM EST "She never admitted to having an affair with Culpepper, not even when she was in the Tower, and due to be executed anyway. It was expected back then to confess ones sins before they were due to die, and this was something that was taken very seriously during Medieval times. If Kathryn had been unfaithful, she would have admitted it before she was the executed, but she didn't. She admited to premarital affairs, and so Henry made it legal to execute someone for disguising their past from him, Kathryn was beheaded on a charge that didn't even exist until after she committed it! As for being stupid, arrogant and ignorant, i think that is extremely harsh. If she was foolish, and ignorant, we have to remember she was a very young girl, as for arrogant, sorry, can't agree with you there, her behaviour doesn't come across as arrogant!" The arguements you make here are very good. This, though, does not preclude her from having had an affair. She may or may not be guilty of adultery. As you said, she was very young, and she may or may not have complete faith in confessions - we have to remember that there were probably many closet non-confirmists in that age. I am just running wild here though. There is no evidence for that. This issue has always interested me. I wonder what really happened!\ And oh yea - Norfolk was an ***hole! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Elliemental	54. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Monday, 12:26 PM EST \| Post edited: Monday, 12:26 PM EST Theres no fool like an old fool, and that was certainly true in the case of Henry VIII and Ketherine Howard. On that level, I think I will pity him, and thats not quite the same as sympathising, or feeling sorry for him. In all likelihood, Katherine`s `affair` with Culpepper went no further than exchanging letters and those infamous nocturnal clinches arranged by Rochford. The only surviving letter we have of Katherine Howard`s, is a badlymis-spelt love letter to Culpepper, so you can imagine how bad that makes her look. Not to mention letting herself be blackmailed into giving important posts to Francis Dereham (her former `lover`). That just wildly exacerbated the situation. If anything, she was just extremely foolish. From what we`ve seen so far, on the show that is, Katherine Howard will not be afforded the same dignity and sensitivity that was given to Anne Boleyn. Thats not the fault of the actress at all, the blame lies with the writers. As they keep reminding us, sex sells. Pity. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Reggie19	55. RE: Will we feel sorry for Henry when Kitty cheats? Monday, 1:47 PM EST \| Post edited: Monday, 1:47 PM EST "The arguements you make here are very good. This, though, does not preclude her from having had an affair. She may or may not be guilty of adultery. As you said, she was very young, and she may or may not have complete faith in confessions - we have to remember that there were probably many closet non-confirmists in that age. I am just running wild here though. There is no evidence for that. This issue has always interested me. I wonder what really happened!\ And oh yea - Norfolk was an **hole!" Oh, i'm certainly not saying its imposible she could have had an affair, i just think its unfair to judge her on that basis, when we don't know, all we can do is assume. As for the point you made about her age, in relation to her faith, i don't think it made a difference back then. Religion was the most important thing to these people, so its difficult for me to believe that Kathryn wouldn't adhere to her faith, especially at her time of dying. All we can do is wonder, just like we're left to wonder about Anne Boleyn and Wyatt deep sigh*! Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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