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Dwinn10055 |
42. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 1 2009, 4:01 PM EDT
well she WAS a hoochie!!! seems like most of the howard girls WERE a little FREE! they have always portrayed her that way! Do you find this valuable? |
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Dwinn10055 |
43. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 1 2009, 4:03 PM EDT
I agree with you lettice
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KingsRose |
44. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 1 2009, 7:39 PM EDT
I'm so glad I found this thread! I'm a devotee of Miss Howard in spite of (or perhaps because of) her wickedly wanton ways, but I've been dreading watching her episodes for fear that they would portray her as a slut and nothing else, with no further depth to her character. I'm not surprised that this seems the case, but I really like the point that is brought up about the audience connecting with her and feeling empathy. Doesn't it take away the drama and terror of her situation if she is already acting like a silly tramp? And it doesn't leave room for much of a love story (if that's what they are intending) between her and Culpeper.
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karenofbethany |
45. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 1 2009, 10:32 PM EDT
"I'm so glad I found this thread! I'm a devotee of Miss Howard in spite of (or perhaps because of) her wickedly wanton ways, but I've been dreading watching her episodes for fear that they would portray her as a slut and nothing else, with no further depth to her character. I'm not surprised that this seems the case, but I really like the point that is brought up about the audience connecting with her and feeling empathy. Doesn't it take away the drama and terror of her situation if she is already acting like a silly tramp? And it doesn't leave room for much of a love story (if that's what they are intending) between her and Culpeper."That's a good point, I think...how can she "fall in love" - or maybe he will be her first real love? It's said that she made some remark to the effect that she welcomed death when it came so that they could be united. Do you find this valuable? |
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lelalogran |
46. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 3 2009, 1:01 PM EDT
Katherine Howard was not very bright. She was not educated properly and had many lovers before she was pushed in front of Henry's nose. I blame the Duke of Norfolk and his family for the poor upbringing, nd for pushing her to catch Henrys eye. She certainly had poor judgment after she was married carrying on an affair with Culpepper right under Henry nose. I have not seen the episodes about Katherine, I am basing my opinion on white I have read. She should have been divorced not beheaded. Henry was a monster.
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Eternity123 |
47. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 3 2009, 9:34 PM EDT
"The rocks as contraception I think came from the (fiction) book The Autobiography of Henry VIII with Notes by his Fool Will Somers. He thought KH was pregnant and the doctor told him she had "miscarried stones". In the book, he felt sorry for her which is an unlikely story...lol. I don't know if she swallowed them or inserted them, but on another thread it was discussed and more information might be found on Tudors Medicine page here. At any rate, if she did, I would surmise it was to avoid getting pregnant by her lover(s)"WOW! Both ways sound crazy...but inserting them, geesh. I mean to stop her from getting pregnant and still have/enjoy sex she would've had have got them quiet far right?! And then back out again? Sorry if I'm not making sense, I'm soooo confused lol. Do you find this valuable? |
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KingsRose |
48. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 3 2009, 9:40 PM EDT
Now that I've actually finished the season I can properly comment on Katherine's portrayal. First off, not to say anything cruel about the actress, who is indeed an attractive young woman, but she is portrayed as so sexually over-the-top...how is that sexy? Henry has proved - both on the show and in history (I think) - that he responded favorably to flirtation, sensuality, and an air of mystery. But this Catherine just comes across as so...easy. There is no challenge there - not much of a conquest. It also begs the question: why in the world would the king choose to marry this strumpet, to make her his queen? Someone else had an interesting theory earlier: perhaps she does think she's pregnant and he marries her for that reason. As for this Katherine, I find it difficult to have much sympathy for her (as of yet) as she's presented here (though I will watch, of course I will). Since they've apparently already disposed of the Countess of Salisbury we can't even see Catherine's benevolence in attempting to have her released. It's disappointing because I find Catherine's story so fascinating and I feel like they are cheating it of it's intrigue by rushing so quickly into their affair - she seems little more than a fling for Henry, as opposed to a more lasting passion that may inspire his "renewed youth." But who knows, maybe next season when they introduce Culpeper that will spice things up! Do you find this valuable? |
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theladyV |
49. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 4 2009, 9:14 PM EDT
The only thing that I can figure is that maybe next season they'll try to make her grow up more. Maybe they'll have her being a very attentive loving stepmother to young Elizabeth. They could also have her develop a real romantic relationship with Culpepper, she is supposed to be a teenager so maybe they'll portray her as truly falling in love (not just into bed) with him. A sweet coming of age love story with her only problem being that she is married to the king who is a little crazy. I think the audience may feel more pity for her if they see her grow up and mature from this season. But this is The Tudors so you never know how they'll play it. I'm also curious to see how Jane Rochard fits into all this.
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Eternity123 |
50. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 4 2009, 9:22 PM EDT
"I'm also curious to see how Jane Rochard fits into all this."Jane, Jane, Jane! I forgot about her for a moment there, I think it was the shock of Kitty in ep8. Anyway...I'm guessing Hirst will play it like he did with JS; where basically every scene Jane was in Rochford was too (obviously minus the fumbles..). It will be interesting to see, if she turns into this sneaky gossip queen. Do you find this valuable? |
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CarolineZ |
51. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 10 2009, 4:23 PM EDT
I think the actress portraying Katherine Howard is doing a good job. There is definitely chemistry between her and Henry which I think is the important thing. It's believable that he is physically attracted to her. I couldn't help laughing along with Henry when he asks her if she has any houses and she starts giggling.
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Reggie19 |
52. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 10 2009, 7:53 PM EDT
"I think the actress portraying Katherine Howard is doing a good job. There is definitely chemistry between her and Henry which I think is the important thing. It's believable that he is physically attracted to her. I couldn't help laughing along with Henry when he asks her if she has any houses and she starts giggling."Or when he asks about her English, and she replies that she knows enough to write a letter, then he inquires into who she is writing letters to, and she quickly responds no one! Do you find this valuable? |
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karenofbethany |
53. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 10 2009, 9:05 PM EDT
"Now that I've actually finished the season I can properly comment on Katherine's portrayal. First off, not to say anything cruel about the actress, who is indeed an attractive young woman, but she is portrayed as so sexually over-the-top...how is that sexy? Henry has proved - both on the show and in history (I think) - that he responded favorably to flirtation, sensuality, and an air of mystery. But this Catherine just comes across as so...easy. There is no challenge there - not much of a conquest.I just want to reply to your: why would the king choose to marry this strumpet, to make her his queen. Go back and you notice that Boleyn was considered by many to be a "strumpet" (Wolsey, the Pope) but what Henry wanted he made up his mind to get, he was single-minded and common sense went out the window. I think he was very reactionary to everything. That's my answer. He reacted to his "feelings" and damned be any of the consequences. She made him feel "young." Do you find this valuable? |
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Conyle |
54. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 10 2009, 10:12 PM EDT
"He reacted to his "feelings" and damned be any of the consequences. She made him feel "young.""And when you are King I suppose you could do that! But heaven help anyone who didn't live up to his expectations. Do you find this valuable? |
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CarolineZ |
55. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 11 2009, 1:30 PM EDT
"Or when he asks about her English, and she replies that she knows enough to write a letter, then he inquires into who she is writing letters to, and she quickly responds no one!"Yes, he says, "Who writes to you?" And she says, "No one!" Do you find this valuable? |
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Lady-Anne |
56. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 11 2009, 1:38 PM EDT
I hope this letters thing introduces her correspondance with Culpeper... I'm wondering how they'll get him in the picture...
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KingsRose |
57. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 11 2009, 5:37 PM EDT
I agree, entirely - once the king made up his mind, it was dangerous for anyone to even attempt to convince him otherwise. My comment about Katherine as a strumpet was directed toward how she is portrayed on the Tudors, not how she (or any of these historical figures) may have acted or been perceived in real life. I liked the way The Tudors portrayed Henry's "chase" of Anne Boleyn. But Katherine is so easy here, to me it seemed that the king was already getting a bit tired of her by the end of the episode. It seemed to leave little to inspire him to wed her. But that's just my take on it. I'm looking forward to seeing how things will progress next season!
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wandev |
58. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 11 2009, 6:11 PM EDT
"I agree, entirely - once the king made up his mind, it was dangerous for anyone to even attempt to convince him otherwise. My comment about Katherine as a strumpet was directed toward how she is portrayed on the Tudors, not how she (or any of these historical figures) may have acted or been perceived in real life. I liked the way The Tudors portrayed Henry's "chase" of Anne Boleyn. But Katherine is so easy here, to me it seemed that the king was already getting a bit tired of her by the end of the episode. It seemed to leave little to inspire him to wed her. But that's just my take on it. I'm looking forward to seeing how things will progress next season!"I don't think there's a question that in real life Katherine Howard was sexually promiscuous, both before and after the marriage. I have read nothing that suggests otherwise. Not a judgment, just a fact. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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KingsRose |
59. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 12 2009, 3:43 PM EDT
Yes, Katherine Howard was certainly promiscuous, no doubt about that. I was commenting more about her portrayal on The Tudors. According to the history I've read, Henry believed that Katherine was a virgin when he first met her (though it's likely they did have sex before their wedding day). Virginity was important to Henry - in his wives, at least. But in the way she is portrayed on the show, I can't imagine they will include this element of the story. There is no way he would believe that she had been a virgin, considering her behavior in scene where they first meet. I don't expect The Tudors to follow history precisely, but I'm just curious about how these choices will play out next season. It will change her story a bit, I think.And maybe it was just me, but did anyone else think that Henry looked a bit bored by the end of the episode? 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Eternity123 |
60. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jun 12 2009, 9:22 PM EDT
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"And maybe it was just me, but did anyone else think that Henry looked a bit bored by the end of the episode?"Nope not just you, although he was probably also thinking about Cromwell. But with Henry's track record I'm not suprised. Plus it's like most people, if there's no chase involved you can get bored easily. It didn't even take her a full epiosde to "get her kit off". In this case I think Henry is a damn fool to take her as a wife (in the series). I mean in comparison to what he has preferred before....apart from the sex and the ring teases, there's nothing in it. He might aswell of gone and brought Ursula back to court.. Also I wonder how they are gonna fit in the accusations of her not being a virgin before marriage, into it. I mean you have got to be all kinds of dumb to think she was (in the series). What's gonna be more funny for me is if they do add it in and they have scenes of her denying it at first - *flashbacks to all the giggling*. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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howardfan |
61. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
Jul 7 2009, 2:49 AM EDT
"I adored that Autobiography of Henry VIII by Margaret George, that book is the perfect example of Historical Fiction. "yes indeed it is, but thats all it is Fiction, however even in that book, it is henrys paranoia along with Bishop Gardiner that led him to "Believe" that his rose without thorn Cathryn howard was sleeping with her cousin Thomas culpepper, yes they were cousins, read David starkeys or Joanna Dennys books on miss howard and you will find out yourself. Since there is no real proof surrounding that scandal, it irks me so much that official websites and authors such as alison Weir actually print that slander against her, saying she lay with two men before henry, now francis she did sleep with and was to marry him but again this was before she even went to court, so it was highly unfair that francis was killed. 1 out of 18 found this valuable. Do you? |