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Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 26 2009, 4:35 PM EDT
I know we've talked about Katherine on other threads;but,did anyone honestly think she got any justice with the actress they picked to play her? She acted like she would lay with any man who came along,not just Henry. The Duke of Norfolk was the one who projected her into Henry's path along with Jane Lady Rochford helping. I guess the producers thought having a young Lolita would spice up the end of the season. Instead it left me feeling like ok bring on the executioner!!
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Eternity123 |
1. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 26 2009, 4:42 PM EDT
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Roxykat |
2. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 26 2009, 4:50 PM EDT
"I know we've talked about Katherine on other threads;but,did anyone honestly think she got any justice with the actress they picked to play her? She acted like she would lay with any man who came along,not just Henry. The Duke of Norfolk was the one who projected her into Henry's path along with Jane Lady Rochford helping. I guess the producers thought having a young Lolita would spice up the end of the season. Instead it left me feeling like ok bring on the executioner!!"Agreed. I want to feel sympathy for KH, her story is so sad, but the way she has been portrayed in ep 8 - well what you said Gloria. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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frogy23 |
3. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 26 2009, 5:05 PM EDT
Well. We'll see. I wouldn't judge quite yet. I mean, she's obviously pretty bold and slutty but there's plenty of time to make us sympathetic to her situation. I seem to be in a minority on this but I like the actress. I'm not saying she's a raving beauty but she's interesting looking and comes across as very, very young and silly. That helps create the pervy quality of the relationship and helps us see into Henry's state of mind that he would be so blown away by a silly little girl. She turned him on -- as young, uncomplicated women will to men in mid-life who are unsettled with themselves and not in a whole, loving relationship. She's a big contrast from his head-over-heels for Anne Boleyn but it should be a contrast. He was a very different man at that stage in his life. In fact, his feelings toward each one of his wives says everything about him and his state of mind at the time and very little about the women themselves.
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Roxykat |
4. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 26 2009, 5:26 PM EDT
"Well. We'll see. I wouldn't judge quite yet. I mean, she's obviously pretty bold and slutty but there's plenty of time to make us sympathetic to her situation. I seem to be in a minority on this but I like the actress. I'm not saying she's a raving beauty but she's interesting looking and comes across as very, very young and silly. That helps create the pervy quality of the relationship and helps us see into Henry's state of mind that he would be so blown away by a silly little girl. She turned him on -- as young, uncomplicated women will to men in mid-life who are unsettled with themselves and not in a whole, loving relationship. She's a big contrast from his head-over-heels for Anne Boleyn but it should be a contrast. He was a very different man at that stage in his life. In fact, his feelings toward each one of his wives says everything about him and his state of mind at the time and very little about the women themselves."I hope so too. My guess for next season is that Katherine will think she is pregnant and Henry will marry her. When it turns out shes not... well like you said we will all be feeling for her. Do you find this valuable? |
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karenofbethany |
5. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 26 2009, 10:20 PM EDT
"I know we've talked about Katherine on other threads;but,did anyone honestly think she got any justice with the actress they picked to play her? She acted like she would lay with any man who came along,not just Henry. The Duke of Norfolk was the one who projected her into Henry's path along with Jane Lady Rochford helping. I guess the producers thought having a young Lolita would spice up the end of the season. Instead it left me feeling like ok bring on the executioner!!"Ahhh don't get me started, I have already done more than my share of damage on other threads. Brief: Bryant looks like a pimp, the "dormitory" like a brothel, the dowager like a madame making crude comments. HOney-Beez of course we know none of this is in any way historically accurate. I feel they have done the girl a huge injustice and contributed to an unfortunate stereotype but if you think about it, all of the characters except Henry given complex emotions are totally one-dimensional. Even Brandon is predictable. Why do I watch the show, members will ask? Why indeed? I will say that on every episode I can tell within 5 minutes what is going to happen, and poor Kitty Howard is portrayed as nothing more than an ignorant, giggling horny little teenager. When in fact she needed affection and idolized Henry in a way, and what young girl would not jump at the chance to be queen? He called her his "Rose without a Thorn" and how are they going to possibly include this when she is thorny as hell? lol 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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karenofbethany |
6. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 26 2009, 10:24 PM EDT
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"Well. We'll see. I wouldn't judge quite yet. I mean, she's obviously pretty bold and slutty but there's plenty of time to make us sympathetic to her situation. I seem to be in a minority on this but I like the actress. I'm not saying she's a raving beauty but she's interesting looking and comes across as very, very young and silly. That helps create the pervy quality of the relationship and helps us see into Henry's state of mind that he would be so blown away by a silly little girl. She turned him on -- as young, uncomplicated women will to men in mid-life who are unsettled with themselves and not in a whole, loving relationship. She's a big contrast from his head-over-heels for Anne Boleyn but it should be a contrast. He was a very different man at that stage in his life. In fact, his feelings toward each one of his wives says everything about him and his state of mind at the time and very little about the women themselves."I think the actress is GREAT with the script she has been given. She looks totally clueless and hot to trot, which I am sure is their intention. She does what Brandon and Bryan (neither of which was involved) tell her to do. True, Henry's personality shows himself and NOT the women - they play off him them as stereotypes. He jumps from Madonna to Dominatrix (ok a little bit of an exaggeration, but isn't that Hirsts' forte?) I am disappointed beyond description. Each season seems to deteriorate a little more into a typical soap opera with Season III being on warp speed. Not much respect for complicated persons like Cromwell. and Kitty was nothing but a pawn of her Uncle Nofolk, like a little Monkey on a leash. Putting Brandon and Bryan in makes no sense, they really had no agenda. I hope I am making sense here. Because the show does not, lol. Do you find this valuable? |
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karenofbethany |
7. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 26 2009, 10:25 PM EDT
"I hope so too. My guess for next season is that Katherine will think she is pregnant and Henry will marry her. When it turns out shes not... well like you said we will all be feeling for her."Historically Katherine took birth control methods to avoid getting pregnant by Culpepper and I've always thought it curious that Henry did not show too much concern whether she gave him his second heir or not. He was over the moon about her. Do you find this valuable? |
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karenofbethany |
8. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 26 2009, 10:30 PM EDT
My prediction is that Henry will enjoy so much showering her with gifts, romping in bed with her, enjoying Non-Such Palace and insisting that he has the right to be happy that he will be oblivious to what is going on right beneath his nose - which is really what happened. The stickler is that she is so overtly flirtatious there is no way viewers could be convinced that Henry would believe she was a virgin...that is the problem with how they have set it up. I am wondering what political dramas or behind the scenes conflicts they will use to fill in when he is not having hot sex with her, which I am sure we will get plenty of. Will Mary rebuff her, as history has said she did? Then viewers who are sympathetic to poor Katherine will say Mary is mean and she will begin to earn her reputation as a stuffy catholic bitch. THey play right into the historical stereotypes, shame shame.
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silversummer |
9. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 26 2009, 11:05 PM EDT
henry and katherine weren't together that long he fell for her hard, and she was disgusted with him and his rotted smelly leg,she went with it because she had nothing and wanted to be queen (she was anne boleyns first cousin too) and probably thought henry wouldn't live too long anyways. so he was in love right away,or lust, she wasn't and she was cheating on him and not sleeping with him(at least not very often) he found out about her affair and was humiliated and he cut off her head. she admitted being in love with the other man so that was the end of her. i like the actress she plays katherine well a clueless teenager who doesn't know what she was getting into she made henry feel young again. as far as historicly even though they got off the path with truth it still wasn't that bad there still is a lot of history in the show
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frogy23 |
10. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 26 2009, 11:14 PM EDT
I can never back things up with history because I don't have the background but this all feels so realistic and, frankly, reasonable to me. Poor Henry is so desperate to find what he thinks is real love. He sees this young thing and she makes him horny and he equates this with real love because he's Henry. I don't know if they will play the angle that he thought she was a pure virgin. That will be a challenge. But he married Anne and convinced himself she was a virgin despite rumors. Now he may be beyond caring about the pure spare heir issue and simply wants someone to adore -- someone he thinks adores him. I dare say we are going to feel pretty sorry for Henry next season -- just you watch.
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DuchessRLR |
11. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 26 2009, 11:44 PM EDT
"Ahhh don't get me started, I have already done more than my share of damage on other threads. Brief: Bryant looks like a pimp, the "dormitory" like a brothel, the dowager like a madame making crude comments. HOney-Beez of course we know none of this is in any way historically accurate. I feel they have done the girl a huge injustice and contributed to an unfortunate stereotype but if you think about it, all of the characters except Henry given complex emotions are totally one-dimensional. Even Brandon is predictable. Why do I watch the show, members will ask? Why indeed? I will say that on every episode I can tell within 5 minutes what is going to happen, and poor Kitty Howard is portrayed as nothing more than an ignorant, giggling horny little teenager. When in fact she needed affection and idolized Henry in a way, and what young girl would not jump at the chance to be queen? He called her his "Rose without a Thorn" and how are they going to possibly include this when she is thorny as hell? lol"I love that-"thorny as hell"-yah she was horny alright and thats whats gonna cost her. Do you find this valuable? |
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DuchessRLR |
12. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 26 2009, 11:46 PM EDT
"Historically Katherine took birth control methods to avoid getting pregnant by Culpepper and I've always thought it curious that Henry did not show too much concern whether she gave him his second heir or not. He was over the moon about her. "I had never read about her using birth control-but I guess it makes since-ver intresting. Do you find this valuable? |
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Anne'sCurls |
13. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 27 2009, 12:17 AM EDT
Katherine might have been a little close to potentially easy when it comes to sex but nothing like in this show. She just comes off as a full blown slut, I mean the ring scene was just disgusting!
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silversummer |
14. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 27 2009, 12:42 AM EDT
"Katherine might have been a little close to potentially easy when it comes to sex but nothing like in this show. She just comes off as a full blown slut, I mean the ring scene was just disgusting!"most men wouldn't think it would be disgusting, she was seducing him and it worked 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Honey-Beezz |
15. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 27 2009, 7:13 AM EDT
"Ahhh don't get me started, I have already done more than my share of damage on other threads. Brief: Bryant looks like a pimp, the "dormitory" like a brothel, the dowager like a madame making crude comments. HOney-Beez of course we know none of this is in any way historically accurate. I feel they have done the girl a huge injustice and contributed to an unfortunate stereotype but if you think about it, all of the characters except Henry given complex emotions are totally one-dimensional. Even Brandon is predictable. Why do I watch the show, members will ask? Why indeed? I will say that on every episode I can tell within 5 minutes what is going to happen, and poor Kitty Howard is portrayed as nothing more than an ignorant, giggling horny little teenager. When in fact she needed affection and idolized Henry in a way, and what young girl would not jump at the chance to be queen? He called her his "Rose without a Thorn" and how are they going to possibly include this when she is thorny as hell? lol"Like the "thorny as hell" line,perfect! And maybe a lot of us know this isn't real history,but some do not. Plus,not knocking(excuse the pun) the actress herself,but the way she was told to portray Katherine. The writers could have given her a little more dignity;if she had been really that loosy-goosy,her family would have put her in a convent or tossed her out on the street. Do you find this valuable? |
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18. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 27 2009, 9:54 AM EDT
"Maybe on the show they showed her to loose but she was no innocent angel either.she knew what she was doing just look she went through all the trouble by using birth control. I feel no sympathy for her"KH was not innocent, however, much of her "teachings" occurred when she was with the Dowager Duchess. As a young girl with no guidance, she was preyed upon by Dereham and the music teacher (forgot his name). Her ambitious family paraded her in front of the King and presented her as virginal innocent. Of course, her affair with Culpepper was foolish & rash, but she was a very young girl with little common sense. I don't particularly like the way she is portrayed in the series & the double standard of Henry wouldn't have allowed him to marry her if he took her for his mistress Do you find this valuable? |
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Anne'sCurls |
19. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 27 2009, 1:48 PM EDT
Katherine Howard is not supposed to be seducing him she is the Rose without a Thorn, not the town harlot.
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Eternity123 |
20. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 27 2009, 2:40 PM EDT
"Katherine might have been a little close to potentially easy when it comes to sex but nothing like in this show. She just comes off as a full blown slut, I mean the ring scene was just disgusting!"I gotta agree, that ring scene was uncomfortable to watch and a little disturbing. Oh and the giggling had me in a rage! Do you find this valuable? |
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silversummer |
21. RE: Katherine Howard's portrayal this season?
May 27 2009, 2:47 PM EDT
I've read so many things on these caracters before the show even came out. Alot of things we can't 100 percent know for fact so I'm just going to right what I've read. I think people are being too hard on Katherine she was so young and was told to seduce him. Of course she had her own agenda too. But it was documented that Jane Seymour cheated on Henry too.Anne seduced him and Jane seduced him.Jane was sleeping with him before the death of Anne. Jane is one big reason why Anne was exicuted. He was in a rush to be with Jane that the fastest way to marry her was to get rid of Anne.I don't think Katherine was that slutty not any more then Anne or Jane. Henry just thought Katherine was inoccent but she wasn't and neither were three of his other wives
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