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Jes89
Jes89
Princess Mary and her "affair"
May 4 2009, 11:33 PM EDT | Post edited: May 4 2009, 11:51 PM EDT
look what i found!

"Mary engaged again in 1539. The newcomer Philip of Bavaria, had courted her in Westmister without knowing the position of the king's daughter. Although opposed by religious ideas (Philip was Lutheran), they spoke in Latin, French and German by a translator. The ambassador wrote to Francis I, there was a kiss on the lips when he's gone. The king made him as Knight of the Garter. With the elevation, all court thought that there would be a marriage between Mary and Philip. How is not new, the marriage was never realized"..

Do you think that the series will show this "kiss"???
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gapeachjessica
gapeachjessica
1. RE: Princess Mary and her "affair"
May 5 2009, 1:40 AM EDT | Post edited: May 5 2009, 1:40 AM EDT
***SPOILER***

Well, episode eight mentions something about how Mary is seduced by Phillip.
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gapeachjessica
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May 5 2009, 1:41 AM EDT | Post edited: May 5 2009, 1:41 AM EDT
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angelosdaughter
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3. RE: Princess Mary and her "affair"
May 5 2009, 1:56 AM EDT | Post edited: May 5 2009, 1:56 AM EDT
"look what i found!

"Mary engaged again in 1539. The newcomer Philip of Bavaria, had courted her in Westmister without knowing the position of the king's daughter. Although opposed by religious ideas (Philip was Lutheran), they spoke in Latin, French and German by a translator. The ambassador wrote to Francis I, there was a kiss on the lips when he's gone. The king made him as Knight of the Garter. With the elevation, all court thought that there would be a marriage between Mary and Philip. How is not new, the marriage was never realized"..

Do you think that the series will show this "kiss"???"
Duke Phillp of Bavaria, thirteen years older and Lutheran seems to have earnestly pursued Mary, and been willing to accept her having to waive all rights to the English throne. His suit seems not to have been entirely unwelcome to Mary in spite of the religious difference. His romantic insistence on conducting the courtship in person instead of through agents, his impulsive kiss on her lips, and the magnificent diamond cross he gave her as proof of his affection for her may have impressed the relatively naive twenty-three year-old Mary; in addition, he seems to have been sincere in his affection. Phillip's offer fell victim to Henry's more important (to him) matter of extricating himself from the Cleves marriage.
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Jes89
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May 5 2009, 7:37 AM EDT | Post edited: May 5 2009, 7:37 AM EDT
"Duke Phillp of Bavaria, thirteen years older and Lutheran seems to have earnestly pursued Mary, and been willing to accept her having to waive all rights to the English throne. His suit seems not to have been entirely unwelcome to Mary in spite of the religious difference. His romantic insistence on conducting the courtship in person instead of through agents, his impulsive kiss on her lips, and the magnificent diamond cross he gave her as proof of his affection for her may have impressed the relatively naive twenty-three year-old Mary; in addition, he seems to have been sincere in his affection. Phillip's offer fell victim to Henry's more important (to him) matter of extricating himself from the Cleves marriage."
i didn't know he gave a diamond to her...
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Boudica
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May 5 2009, 10:17 AM EDT | Post edited: May 5 2009, 10:18 AM EDT
"Duke Phillp of Bavaria, thirteen years older and Lutheran seems to have earnestly pursued Mary, and been willing to accept her having to waive all rights to the English throne. His suit seems not to have been entirely unwelcome to Mary in spite of the religious difference. His romantic insistence on conducting the courtship in person instead of through agents, his impulsive kiss on her lips, and the magnificent diamond cross he gave her as proof of his affection for her may have impressed the relatively naive twenty-three year-old Mary; in addition, he seems to have been sincere in his affection. Phillip's offer fell victim to Henry's more important (to him) matter of extricating himself from the Cleves marriage."
I wonder if Henry's marriage to Anne of Cleves hadn't ended if Mary would have married to Philip? I read that he came to England again briefly in 1543, but no success. Had Mary married in her mid twenties she would have also had more of an opportunity to bear children, another great "what if" to ponder.
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audietudor
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6. RE: Princess Mary and her "affair"
May 17 2009, 7:39 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 7:43 AM EDT
"look what i found!

"Mary engaged again in 1539. The newcomer Philip of Bavaria, had courted her in Westmister without knowing the position of the king's daughter. Although opposed by religious ideas (Philip was Lutheran), they spoke in Latin, French and German by a translator. The ambassador wrote to Francis I, there was a kiss on the lips when he's gone. The king made him as Knight of the Garter. With the elevation, all court thought that there would be a marriage between Mary and Philip. How is not new, the marriage was never realized"..

Do you think that the series will show this "kiss"???"
Thank you for posting this Jes89! I have been curious about this duke since I read Mary would be courted by him in the final episode-so he really did exist! Very interesting. And it is intriguing to think if only-if only Mary had married at 23. Sure he was of a different faith but I believe once she was away from the influence of her tyrannical father Mary would have blossomed under the apparent affection of this duke. One or the other might have even converted though I think it much more likely Phillip for Mary's sake. And Mary may have had the children she longed for. :(

So sad it did not work out. The second Phillip in Mary's sad life turned out to be a real dud. Too young and only going through the motions of courtship with Mary.
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hohumpigsbum
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7. RE: Princess Mary and her "affair"
May 17 2009, 8:17 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 8:19 AM EDT
I can't wait to see Mary and Phillip in the ep, I think it'll be really cute :-) 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
hohumpigsbum
hohumpigsbum
8. RE: Princess Mary and her "affair"
May 17 2009, 8:19 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 8:19 AM EDT
"Thank you for posting this Jes89! I have been curious about this duke since I read Mary would be courted by him in the final episode-so he really did exist! Very interesting. And it is intriguing to think if only-if only Mary had married at 23. Sure he was of a different faith but I believe once she was away from the influence of her tyrannical father Mary would have blossomed under the apparent affection of this duke. One or the other might have even converted though I think it much more likely Phillip for Mary's sake. And Mary may have had the children she longed for. :(

So sad it did not work out. The second Phillip in Mary's sad life turned out to be a real dud. Too young and only going through the motions of courtship with Mary."
I think Phillip would have done Mary a lot of good, I think he would have some what heeled her mental wounds of her childhood and adolesance, and that they could have been happy. Stupid Henry ruining everything - AGAIN!
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Anne'sCurls
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9. RE: Princess Mary and her "affair"
May 17 2009, 1:50 PM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 1:50 PM EDT
It takes place in the season finale and it is so beautiful and makes Mary so happy. The romance is cute and young yet at the same time serious and life changing. I truly believed Phillip when he said it was not just her physical beauty he was attracted to. Do you find this valuable?    
Jes89
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May 17 2009, 2:16 PM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 2:16 PM EDT
"It takes place in the season finale and it is so beautiful and makes Mary so happy. The romance is cute and young yet at the same time serious and life changing. I truly believed Phillip when he said it was not just her physical beauty he was attracted to. "
ooo gawd i want to see it *.* someone make a screencap pleaseeeee
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11. RE: Princess Mary and her "affair"
May 17 2009, 2:44 PM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 2:44 PM EDT
i always felt sorry for Princess Mary , so many times she was slated for marriage , and so many times it all came to nothing . i really think it was conscious effort by henry to keep her unmarried for any children by her might have been a threat to prince edward in terms of claims to the throne , and that idea was driven more home when seymour and then dudley came to power through young edward Princess Mary when she was young was very pretty but the years of heartbreak really altered her appearance. Her suffering manifested physically- very sad . 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Brunet
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12. RE: Princess Mary and her "affair"
May 18 2009, 1:22 PM EDT | Post edited: May 18 2009, 1:22 PM EDT
Thanks Jes for posting this tidbit. I never knew it she had a romance of any kind in her youth. Now that I know about it, I'm sad. Mary had so little genuine love in her life after her mother died. It makes you wonder how different her life might have been had she and Phillip married. As for the show, I wondered (prior to reading this thread) if Hirst would write in or imply some kind of romance between Mary and someone else. I'm glad to know that it will be included this season and will be historically accurate:) 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Jes89
Jes89
13. RE: Princess Mary and her "affair"
May 18 2009, 6:00 PM EDT | Post edited: May 18 2009, 6:00 PM EDT
I didn't see this scene yet, but it makes me fell sorry for her too.It's so sad and i can't understand how can a young lady like her suffer so much in life, it seems that her line in episode 6 " Not born for happiness" fits her all. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
gapeachjessica
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May 18 2009, 6:49 PM EDT | Post edited: May 18 2009, 6:49 PM EDT
"I didn't see this scene yet, but it makes me fell sorry for her too.It's so sad and i can't understand how can a young lady like her suffer so much in life, it seems that her line in episode 6 " Not born for happiness" fits her all."
I agree, Jes. Mary knew so much suffering in her lifetime. Oh, the scene is so heartbreaking! Mary finally finds some happiness, only to have it coldly ripped away. ;-(
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audietudor
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May 18 2009, 7:45 PM EDT | Post edited: May 18 2009, 7:45 PM EDT
"i always felt sorry for Princess Mary , so many times she was slated for marriage , and so many times it all came to nothing . i really think it was conscious effort by henry to keep her unmarried for any children by her might have been a threat to prince edward in terms of claims to the throne , and that idea was driven more home when seymour and then dudley came to power through young edward Princess Mary when she was young was very pretty but the years of heartbreak really altered her appearance. Her suffering manifested physically- very sad ."
Henry the reprehensible monster tyrant that he was only used his daughter Mary as a pawn in the political game. I believe especially after Edward was born he had no intention of ever letting her marry. Most fathers would have married their daughters off by their late teens at most in that age. Not old Henry. He would have done the same to Elizabeth I am sure had he lived long enough. Edward's Protectorate I am sure was not too keen on Mary marrying for similar reasons-and thus she was a middle-aged woman with her best child-bearing years behind her (and best looks) by the time she ascended the throne.

Actor Colin O'Donoghue is dashing as Duke Phillip. His courtship of Princess Mary is achingly sweet, innocent with just the hint of blossoming of sexual awakening on Mary's part. History says Phillip travelled to England twice to court Mary-in 1540 and 1543 thereabouts. I so hope the writers of this show bring Duke Phillip back for Mary-just one last bittersweet time. :( Btw-I'm a softy. I cried along with Mary when Phillip was taken from her so brutally by her poor excuse of a father.
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Maggie-AnneB.
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May 18 2009, 8:12 PM EDT | Post edited: May 18 2009, 8:12 PM EDT
Does anyone know if they kept in contact after 1540 and 1543? 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Jes89
Jes89
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May 18 2009, 9:27 PM EDT | Post edited: May 18 2009, 9:27 PM EDT
"Does anyone know if they kept in contact after 1540 and 1543?"
Good question Maggie-AnneB. i think they never "talked" again.I think they could be very sweet couple,if they have got married.
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gapeachjessica
gapeachjessica
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May 18 2009, 9:32 PM EDT | Post edited: May 18 2009, 9:32 PM EDT
Yes, maybe he would have actually loved her and treated her decently, not like Phillip II of Spain. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Anne'sCurls
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May 18 2009, 10:43 PM EDT | Post edited: May 18 2009, 10:43 PM EDT
On the show I kept wanting Phillip to show back up and runaway with Mary. They travel the world, and eventually end up on their own private island. Or France 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
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