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angelosdaughter
angelosdaughter
20. RE: Thomas Moore
Apr 15 2009, 3:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 15 2009, 3:41 PM EDT
"Several of the More sons-in-law and his son, John, (who had not taken the Oath up to that time, but had to take it, to be released) were imprisoned on charges of attempting to discredit Cranmer, but were eventually released. Giles Heron, the husband of More's daughter Cecily, was denounced for treason and disembowled at Tyburn. His wife, Cecily, was left destitute.
So, some of More's family shared his convictions and suffered for them.
And to answer the question in another way, If my spirit werer transplanted in to Thomas More, I hope my convictions would be as certain as his and that I would have his strength. He overcame his human weakness and made a good death. Most people these days would not have a clue."
Of course if my spirit were to be transplanted into Thomas More, I would not sign the Oath for an additional reason: to chap Henry's hide.
It should also be remembered that if you are a believing Christian, your faith in God is supposed to come even before family. Jesus did say something about leaving your family to follow Him.
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angelosdaughter
angelosdaughter
21. RE: Thomas Moore
Apr 15 2009, 3:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 15 2009, 3:59 PM EDT
"I would have signed as well(both). I can understand not wanting to have your principles violated, but wouldn't the pope give a dispensation for signing under duress? As the family of a traitor, all lands and income would be forfeit, as well as being branded as the family of a traitor. My principles are not worth making my loved ones suffer, especially when in the end, it doesn't change who I believe in(God)"
No, but as More thought, signing the Oath for worldly gain or even to protect his family (Christians are supposed to leave even their families to follow Christ) would have attacked his deepest being. He would have been a broken man if he had lived or become a complete cynic and ceased being who he had been. Like him, I believe that life after having betrayed your deepest beliefs would not be worth living. If you truly believe something, it should be worth dying for. In our modern hedonistic society, people have lost sight of that, because most really don't believe in anything.
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LadyJane1961
22. RE: Thomas Moore
Apr 15 2009, 4:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 15 2009, 4:11 PM EDT
"Several of the More sons-in-law and his son, John, (who had not taken the Oath up to that time, but had to take it, to be released) were imprisoned on charges of attempting to discredit Cranmer, but were eventually released. Giles Heron, the husband of More's daughter Cecily, was denounced for treason and disembowled at Tyburn. His wife, Cecily, was left destitute.
So, some of More's family shared his convictions and suffered for them.
And to answer the question in another way, If my spirit werer transplanted in to Thomas More, I hope my convictions would be as certain as his and that I would have his strength. He overcame his human weakness and made a good death. Most people these days would not have a clue."
you explained it so well i tried to explain it that way but could not find the words. i only could say amen
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angelosdaughter
angelosdaughter
23. RE: Thomas Moore
Apr 15 2009, 5:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 15 2009, 5:28 PM EDT
"you explained it so well i tried to explain it that way but could not find the words. i only could say amen"
Thank you, LadyJane; you, too, made it clear that you understand More's thinking.
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