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tudorcrazy
tudorcrazy
20. RE: KOA MARTYR OR STUBBORN?
Apr 7 2009, 5:13 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 5:13 AM EDT
"But I really doubt it would have been much better, Anne hated both Katherine and Mar. Also, Henry had broken every other promise he had made to Katherine why should he keep this one? Agreeing to an anullment would be saying their marriage had never existed. So Katherine would have been comitting incest for 20 years, Mary would be a bastard, and Katherine would have just been Henry's mistress. Katherine also loved Henry, and she was brought up to believe divorce was a sin.

I think she was very brave to say "no" - she didn't just bend over backwards to do what he wanted. Her bravery and efinace is one of the many reasons I admire her."
that is my dilemma. I see her as great, stuck to hrt faith, and in doing eo tuined all atound her just like Henry did. Her daughter, Anne, (she might have just been another bessie Blount), Mary and Elizabeth, Fisher, more, and ultimatrly Henry, He went mad in the end. Sad Dhe should have iven way, but she couldn't. Enough, I have made up my mind that I am in love eith Maria Doyles Portrayal, and not of KOA actions, as she cut off her nose to spite her face. So did Anne. Fools of Henry's tyranical nacisistic vanity. 1  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    

LadyJane1961
21. RE: KOA MARTYR OR STUBBORN?
Apr 7 2009, 6:42 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 6:42 AM EDT
"I'm reading this thread with interest. I didn't realize this many people had conflicted feelings about KofA as myself. I too go back and forth on it. My first thought is always along the lines of; "she could have saved a lot of people including herself a lot of pain if she had just accepted the fact that Henry was done with her and moved on". But then I think; "why should she be the one to give in to his horrible demands? Why should she have to accept that her entire married life was some kind of lie?!"

In the end, I blame the Catholic Church. If they didn't have this horrible rule against people being able to divorce, it could have had an entire different outcome. Then she wouldn't have had to say and accept that her marriage was a lie and Mary a bastard. I say "could have" had a different outcome, because there's the chance that Katherine wouldn't have accepted divorce instead of annulment either."
theres alot of prejudices of the catholic religion here and i take offense. with the holy week we celebrating and easter coming this sunday why cant people tone down their anti-catholic sediment. koa belived in her faith and whats the problem with that.. if some people here were attacking any other religions there will be an explosion on this thread. .i respect koa she believed she was protecting her daughter and all the years she was married to henry why should she accept that it was a lie.i think she was a feminist she didnt bow down to her husband.the catholic religion has their beliefs and so does other religions have their own beliefs so we should repect them. 11  out of 13 found this valuable. Do you?    
hohumpigsbum
hohumpigsbum
22. RE: KOA MARTYR OR STUBBORN?
Apr 7 2009, 6:42 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 6:42 AM EDT
I don't think she cut her nose off to spite her face, she stuck to her values and didn't give into Henry just because he was the King, she wasn't going to let him degrade her like that by saying they'd never been married and that she had lied to him. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

LadyJane1961
23. RE: KOA MARTYR OR STUBBORN?
Apr 7 2009, 7:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 7:29 AM EDT
koa was not a martyr or stubborn she was a woman of faith, pride and conviction that equals a strong woman 2  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
tudorcrazy
tudorcrazy
24. RE: KOA MARTYR OR STUBBORN?
Apr 7 2009, 11:18 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 11:18 AM EDT
"koa was not a martyr or stubborn she was a woman of faith, pride and conviction that equals a strong woman"
i agree with you all, I just wish she didn't have to suffer so. I guess what I'm trying to say is that by protecting Mary, she actually hurt her. Also, although she could not do Otherwise, as she was a devoted wife and mother. But her devotion turned to stubbornness even when she saw the cause was lost. Henry left her anyway, and took Mary away from her, I think Anne suffered just as much in the end, as did Elizabeth. Anna of Cleves is the only one who had a nice life, and I believe Henry would have treated KOA just as well, and perhaps Mary's life would have been better because of it.
On a personal note, I come from a bad marriage. My parents never divorced, and stayed together "for the kids." In the end we all suffered, terribly, my mother died a long horrible death, when she culd have divorced, remarried a lovely man, and we would have been happy. Poor Katherine. I would like to end this thread, as I had no intention of it turning so sensitive to Catholics. My poinr was that organized religion discriminates against women and that poor KOA whold have lead a better life not being so stubborn. 3  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    

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