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Maggie-AnneB.
Maggie-AnneB.
80. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 2:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 2:21 PM EDT
"Argh, where's my inspiration gone? *thinks hard*

About the episode, I still love it, but it was bizarre how annoying everyone was, *including* Cromwell (I totally hate the fact that he's hanging out with that Richard Rich. Bad influence, much?). And it wasn't anyone's acting that annoyed me, it was just the characters and all their nasty, double-dealing shenanigans. I've totally gone off Princess Mary, and I'm really feeling the absence of any strong female characters. Where are you Anne??? I sound like I'm moaning...it was still aces :D

*goes back to thinking*"
There are no strong characters... soo lame! I think this season is likely going to be more Male Dominated, all about the Guys. Anne Come Back To Life!

I must rake my brains for something.... But Reggie, your contribution is real good, it makes me hate Richard Rich even more!!! Grrr!
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Reggie19
Reggie19
81. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 4:30 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 4:30 PM EDT
"There are no strong characters... soo lame! I think this season is likely going to be more Male Dominated, all about the Guys. Anne Come Back To Life!

I must rake my brains for something.... But Reggie, your contribution is real good, it makes me hate Richard Rich even more!!! Grrr!"
After what happened to poor Thomas More, i really don't like this man at all either (hhhmmm anyone want to kill him off, we have the power to do that with this, hehehe!). Is the second episode after coming on already or something? Even though i find Ursula annoying based on the first episode, she really has just been thrown in there for the sake of sex ratings, what with Anne and her seductive nature gone from the show, and the beautiful and amazing Natalie Dormer, they had to throw in something, but i really miss Anne Boleyn, Natalie set an unpassable bar!
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HeroineAddict
HeroineAddict
82. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 4:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 4:36 PM EDT
"After what happened to poor Thomas More, i really don't like this man at all either (hhhmmm anyone want to kill him off, we have the power to do that with this, hehehe!). Is the second episode after coming on already or something? Even though i find Ursula annoying based on the first episode, she really has just been thrown in there for the sake of sex ratings, what with Anne and her seductive nature gone from the show, and the beautiful and amazing Natalie Dormer, they had to throw in something, but i really miss Anne Boleyn, Natalie set an unpassable bar!"
Oooh, I like the idea of a little Rich punishment...the guy's got it coming. Have you seen Ep 2 yet, Reg? It's in the 'Episode 2 Season 3 on YouTube' thread if you haven't. *sighs* Come back Natalie with your fierceness. I knew I'd miss her, but I never thought *this* much... :(
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Reggie19
Reggie19
83. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 4:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 4:44 PM EDT
"Oooh, I like the idea of a little Rich punishment...the guy's got it coming. Have you seen Ep 2 yet, Reg? It's in the 'Episode 2 Season 3 on YouTube' thread if you haven't. *sighs* Come back Natalie with your fierceness. I knew I'd miss her, but I never thought *this* much... :("
Thanks for that Kate, everyone seems to be talking about (sigh), damn those Americans getting everything first lol!
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Maggie-AnneB.
Maggie-AnneB.
84. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 4:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 4:47 PM EDT
"Oooh, I like the idea of a little Rich punishment...the guy's got it coming. Have you seen Ep 2 yet, Reg? It's in the 'Episode 2 Season 3 on YouTube' thread if you haven't. *sighs* Come back Natalie with your fierceness. I knew I'd miss her, but I never thought *this* much... :("
I knew I was going to mourn a little for Natalie/Anne.. but seriously after watching the 2 new Ep's.... I am like dying for her to come back! If she has to come back as a ghost, then so be it. Bring on a dead Anne! Also it's not like they (the show) hasn't done that already... They had that freaky twin come back when she died from the sweat... That was weird and unnecessary.

Richard Rich is going to die. One way or another.
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Reggie19
Reggie19
85. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 4:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 4:53 PM EDT
"I knew I was going to mourn a little for Natalie/Anne.. but seriously after watching the 2 new Ep's.... I am like dying for her to come back! If she has to come back as a ghost, then so be it. Bring on a dead Anne! Also it's not like they (the show) hasn't done that already... They had that freaky twin come back when she died from the sweat... That was weird and unnecessary.

Richard Rich is going to die. One way or another. "
I think that was a ghost Maggie, but i was hoping they'd bring Anne back during the episodes where Cromwell will be imprisoned in the tower, and suddenly he'll be overwhelmed with regret, ya know, just to show that he does feel some remorse for what happened to her (although i doubt he really did), but then again... Thomas Wyatt was historically a participant in the Pilgrimage of Grace, yet, no sign of Jamie (deep mournful sigh!).
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TillyT2
TillyT2
86. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 5:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 5:03 PM EDT
"I knew I was going to mourn a little for Natalie/Anne.. but seriously after watching the 2 new Ep's.... I am like dying for her to come back! If she has to come back as a ghost, then so be it. Bring on a dead Anne! Also it's not like they (the show) hasn't done that already... They had that freaky twin come back when she died from the sweat... That was weird and unnecessary.

Richard Rich is going to die. One way or another. "
I never did get that whole Thomas Tantalus/Tallis/Tatlers (whatever his name was) thing - what was the point of him being in the show? I'm afraid Rich lived a rich and happy life Maggie..... so you'll have to do him in yourself (horribly please)
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Maggie-AnneB.
Maggie-AnneB.
87. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 5:05 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 5:05 PM EDT
"I think that was a ghost Maggie, but i was hoping they'd bring Anne back during the episodes where Cromwell will be imprisoned in the tower, and suddenly he'll be overwhelmed with regret, ya know, just to show that he does feel some remorse for what happened to her (although i doubt he really did), but then again... Thomas Wyatt was historically a participant in the Pilgrimage of Grace, yet, no sign of Jamie (deep mournful sigh!)."
I think Cromwell had to much stuff to think and worry about then to feel remorse for Anne.... I bet he was just trying to understand why he was arrested in the first place....

That's why I get Thomas Senior confused with the Junior. Thomas Wyatt, the elder, was in the Pilgrimage of Grace.... and his son was in Wyatt's Rebellion.
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HeroineAddict
HeroineAddict
88. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 5:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 5:11 PM EDT
"I think Cromwell had to much stuff to think and worry about then to feel remorse for Anne.... I bet he was just trying to understand why he was arrested in the first place....

That's why I get Thomas Senior confused with the Junior. Thomas Wyatt, the elder, was in the Pilgrimage of Grace.... and his son was in Wyatt's Rebellion. "
I'd kind of liked to have seen Anne as a ghost or a memory in the Tower, too; it might have been cheesy, I guess, but it would have emphasised the irony of Cromwell's fate. I loved that scene in Season 2 after Henry has his accident, and Anne's praying in the chapel. Cromwell turns up to pray as well, she turns to look at him, and then there is this amazing juxtaposition shot of the two of them, kneeling with their hands clasped, like Henry's victims lined up for the slaughter. It was brilliant. More Anne/Cromwell scenes was something I missed in S2; was it just me, or did they have some fierce chemistry going on?
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Roxykat
Roxykat
89. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 5:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 5:12 PM EDT
"I never did get that whole Thomas Tantalus/Tallis/Tatlers (whatever his name was) thing - what was the point of him being in the show? "
me neither, and he just completely dissapeared...he was so dull no one at court has noticed!!
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Reggie19
Reggie19
90. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 5:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 5:16 PM EDT
"me neither, and he just completely dissapeared...he was so dull no one at court has noticed!! "
He was also very inaccurately introduced i think, i'm sure i heard he wasn't even born during the sixteenth century!
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Maggie-AnneB.
Maggie-AnneB.
91. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 5:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 5:18 PM EDT
"I'd kind of liked to have seen Anne as a ghost or a memory in the Tower, too; it might have been cheesy, I guess, but it would have emphasised the irony of Cromwell's fate. I loved that scene in Season 2 after Henry has his accident, and Anne goes to pray. Cromwell turns up to pray as well, she turns to look at him, and then there is this amazing juxtaposition shot of the two of them, kneeling with their hands clasped, like Henry's victims lined up for the slaughter. It was brilliant. More Anne/Cromwell scenes was something I missed in S2; was it just me, or did they have some fierce chemistry going on?"
Like Electric Fire! You kinda wanted them to not speak for a moment, look into each other's eyes.. then just catapult to each other, ripped the clothes off the other.... just a hot mess really.... *Hopes no one thinks she's some sexual deviant...* gahahah!

I think the show would have Cromwell be sad, and remorseful about Anne. Memories will pop up about her, when he's in the tower, in his shirt.... Maybe that's all he'll be wearing.... Ok... I am getting to be creeper.
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Reggie19
Reggie19
92. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 5:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 5:20 PM EDT
"I think Cromwell had to much stuff to think and worry about then to feel remorse for Anne.... I bet he was just trying to understand why he was arrested in the first place....

That's why I get Thomas Senior confused with the Junior. Thomas Wyatt, the elder, was in the Pilgrimage of Grace.... and his son was in Wyatt's Rebellion. "
It's very easy to make that mistake, because the damn son is named exactly after his father, but Thomas Wyatt wasn't blessed with his father's intelligence, he did receive his outspokeness from his father though.

Just remember Thomas Wyatt, the elder, was never executed, his son, on the other hand, was, on Tower Hill i believe. The Thomas we know, poor thing, died of a very bad fever because of a very long trip, he stopped in Dorset and was buried in Sherborne Abbey, his son got the old chop.

However, to add to the confusion, there are rumours that Elizabeth Darrell had been having an affair with Thomas Wyatt, the younger, for a while, i'm not sure if they were just rumours, or whether they are indeed fact!
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HeroineAddict
HeroineAddict
93. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 5:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 5:23 PM EDT
"Like Electric Fire! You kinda wanted them to not speak for a moment, look into each other's eyes.. then just catapult to each other, ripped the clothes off the other.... just a hot mess really.... *Hopes no one thinks she's some sexual deviant...* gahahah!

I think the show would have Cromwell be sad, and remorseful about Anne. Memories will pop up about her, when he's in the tower, in his shirt.... Maybe that's all he'll be wearing.... Ok... I am getting to be creeper. "
LOOOOL . You have no idea how much fanfiction I have *almost* written featuring a very similar scenario with Anne and Cromwell...

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Reggie19
Reggie19
94. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 5:24 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 5:24 PM EDT
"LOOOOL . You have no idea how much fanfiction I have *almost* written featuring a very similar scenario with Anne and Cromwell...

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They'd make a better coupling than her and Henry, they're personalities are just so similar! Well the ambitious side of them anyway!
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Maggie-AnneB.
Maggie-AnneB.
95. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 5:24 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 5:24 PM EDT
"I never did get that whole Thomas Tantalus/Tallis/Tatlers (whatever his name was) thing - what was the point of him being in the show? I'm afraid Rich lived a rich and happy life Maggie..... so you'll have to do him in yourself (horribly please)"
I will gladly oblige!
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Reggie19
Reggie19
96. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 5:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 5:26 PM EDT
"I will gladly oblige!"
If you don't i certainly will, i'll position him somewhere in the tower where Thomas can send him flying into a crate of boiling oil, horrible man!
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TillyT2
TillyT2
97. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 5:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 5:27 PM EDT
"I'd kind of liked to have seen Anne as a ghost or a memory in the Tower, too; it might have been cheesy, I guess, but it would have emphasised the irony of Cromwell's fate. I loved that scene in Season 2 after Henry has his accident, and Anne's praying in the chapel. Cromwell turns up to pray as well, she turns to look at him, and then there is this amazing juxtaposition shot of the two of them, kneeling with their hands clasped, like Henry's victims lined up for the slaughter. It was brilliant. More Anne/Cromwell scenes was something I missed in S2; was it just me, or did they have some fierce chemistry going on?"
Also loved the scenes where Anne was giving him stick about snaffling all the goodies for himself and Hen - he had to stand there and take it but you could just see he was exploding with rage inside.
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Maggie-AnneB.
Maggie-AnneB.
98. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 5:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 5:28 PM EDT
"LOOOOL . You have no idea how much fanfiction I have *almost* written featuring a very similar scenario with Anne and Cromwell...

"
Those thoughts just pop into my head at random parts of the day.... But seriously they would have been perfect for each other! In TudorTV Land anyway....

I think your fanfic.. if you wrote it... would be fantastic!!! Better than those tween fanfic writers... they are so terrible... although I have only read one before... but that was for my enjoyment. =)
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Reggie19
Reggie19
99. RE: 'The Flight of the Secretary'
Mar 26 2009, 5:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 5:29 PM EDT
"Also loved the scenes where Anne was giving him stick about snaffling all the goodies for himself and Hen - he had to stand there and take it but you could just see he was exploding with rage inside."
I loved how when she first walked into the room he appeared to be purposefully ignoring her, did anyone else get that impression, she just stood there waiting for him to notice, and he took a long time to before suddenly, a graceful "Your majesty" came out of him, fully of apology, haha!
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