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TillyT2	20. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 8:19 AM EDT Also don't forget Brandon wasn't a reformer - one of the reason's he hates Crom. In real life it was the Duke of Norfolk who engineered Croms, downfall but as he doesn't appear in the series they'll have to get Brandon to do it. I'm looking forward to see the sparks flying between the two actors there should be some great scenes! JF's my main man but HC is certainly a good looker as well ;-) Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
frogy23	21. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 9:38 AM EDT I guess my point -- or opinion -- is that this character is not particularly well played and certainly poorly developed from a script standpoint. Margaret's death turning him into a family man -- perhaps but that development seemed out of the blue to me. True, there are many shifts in alliances but his come at you without much rationale. And I have a hard time believing he has true affection for the king at this point -- just doesn't come across that way to me. And, for whatever reason, I have a hard time caring about him or being moved by him or at least interested in him as I am with many of the other primary characters. I think his real purpose is as a sounding board for Henry so we can see some of the conflict and motivations within Henry. He is a valuable character in that regard. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
lily82	22. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 11:56 AM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 19 2009, 12:02 PM EDT "Margaret's death turning him into a family man -- perhaps but that development seemed out of the blue to me. " Let's not forget that almost 7 years passed between Margaret death and beginning of season 2.... If Charles hadn't matured I would have find THAT strange XD! As for his shifts of alliance, as I explained in a post a little above, I found them very rationale and coherent... Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
sara_kellie0103	23. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 12:42 PM EDT "Yeah I know he looks good but is this guy getting on anyone else's nerves? Season 1 he's mad at Woley(for gawd knows what reason) and he dies. Then in season 2 he turns against the Boleyns and calls Anne a whore for gawd knows what reason and then she dies. Now in season three he is going to be hating on Cromwell(atleast we know where this hatred comes from) and he is going to die. What is up with this dude?!? He's trying to take out anyone who is close to Henry, I bet in season 4 he is going to plot with Cranmer and the Seymours to take down Catherine Howard." All these things may sound like flaws to you but it sees to me that apparently he's the only one with some sense. Yeah he was against Wosley but Wosley was up to no good. He turned against the Bolyens, they were up to no good as well. And Anne was a whore so it's not like he was saying anything wrong. If he's hatin' on Cromwell then most likely Cromwell is up to no good. Seems to me like Charles Brandon has a sixth sense for picking up on bad people working plots behind the Kings back. In my opinion he's the best friend the king could ever have and someone to trust to watch his back. Not too mention that he's the sexiest guy on the show by a long shot. Post reply 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
HeroineAddict	24. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 12:53 PM EDT "All these things may sound like flaws to you but it sees to me that apparently he's the only one with some sense. Yeah he was against Wosley but Wosley was up to no good. He turned against the Bolyens, they were up to no good as well. And Anne was a whore so it's not like he was saying anything wrong. If he's hatin' on Cromwell then most likely Cromwell is up to no good. Seems to me like Charles Brandon has a sixth sense for picking up on bad people working plots behind the Kings back. In my opinion he's the best friend the king could ever have and someone to trust to watch his back. Not too mention that he's the sexiest guy on the show by a long shot. " Except for the fact that Anne wasn't actually a whore... Post reply 1 out of 14 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
scooter&buster	25. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 12:53 PM EDT When Cromwell was 'courting' Chapuys we knew why. The King told him to go to Chapuys and work out a deal with the Emperor. With Brandon he does things and changes positions with little explaination. He worked with the Boleyn faction in season 1, yet was the one that 'ratted out' Anne to Henry and started the whole process of her fall. Yet, in the next episode he's bitching out Daddy Boleyn for putting his daughter in such a grave posiion. Umm...hello! Wasn't he the one that just dropped some supposed 'truths' in Henry's eager ear about Anne having affairs? What gives? As for his hatred of Cromwell this season, that is a tad out of the blue, as they worked things out half way through season 2, and seemed at least cordial to one another. And, they were certainly on the same side when it came to Anne's down fall. The only thing I can think of is that he is a Catholic and now wants to get rid of the last major Reformer--since Cranmer has apparently disappeared, that reformer would be Cromwell. But, if Brandon is such a concerned Catholic, then why was he supportive of Henry's divorce in season 1. Since Henry is such a close friend of his why didn't he at the very least put in a good word for More or Katherine of Aragon? It's just hard to pin down where he stands on anything. I think Brandon is for Brandon...but that's not really a fault when living in Henry VIII's court. It's survival. I'm also looking forward to Frain's and Cavill's scenes. I think they play off each other very well. Lots of sparks :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
HeroineAddict	26. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 12:55 PM EDT "I'm also looking forward to Frain's and Cavill's scenes. I think they play off each other very well. Lots of sparks :)" Me too. Great chemistry there :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
scooter&buster	27. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 1:05 PM EDT "Not too mention that he's the sexiest guy on the show by a long shot. " Well, I respect you're opinion...but you don't speak for everyone. For me, he is far from the sexiest guy on the show. I know I'm out numbered...he has a gazillion drooling fans, but I kinda find him boing. Yes he's attractive...but, kinda like a model in a magzine attractive. He's too 'white bread' for my tastes. I watch this series for one reason mainly....James Frain. I'm gonna regret posting this, but...what the hell :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
HeroineAddict	28. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 1:09 PM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 19 2009, 1:11 PM EDT "Well, I respect you're opinion...but you don't speak for everyone. For me, he is far from the sexiest guy on the show. I know I'm out numbered...he has a gazillion drooling fans, but I kinda find him boing. Yes he's attractive...but, kinda like a model in a magzine attractive. He's too 'white bread' for my tastes. I watch this series for one reason mainly....James Frain. I'm gonna regret posting this, but...what the hell :) " Well, Cavill's a sweetie and very beautiful to stare at...BUT it's James Frain all the way for me as well. Sexiness is subjective, after all :D Good thing, too. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
frogy23	29. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 1:58 PM EDT Yes beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder. But to me it's quite obvious that JRM is the sexiest and most beautiful man on the show. So gorgeous in fact that one can still find him so even when he's playing one of the biggest bastards in history -- and doing a fantastic job of it. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
scooter&buster	30. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 2:34 PM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 19 2009, 2:52 PM EDT "Yes beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder. But to me it's quite obvious that JRM is the sexiest and most beautiful man on the show. So gorgeous in fact that one can still find him so even when he's playing one of the biggest bastards in history -- and doing a fantastic job of it." well, that is the beauty of this series...a male type for everyone :) Hunky men all around. And, of course, for the most part, it's well written and exceedingly well acted. Tons of talent on this show. It just amazes me how it gets snubbed at the awards...except for technical wards. JRM is the only one that ever gets a nom, and as good as he is, he's not olone. There are other actors that deserved noms..Natalie for certain deserved at least a nom last year....maybe even James Frain and Jeremy Northam. I'm sure JF will be awards worthy this season. He probably won't get a nom, but it won't be because he doesn't deserve it. Well, I'm veering off topic here...sorry :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
frogy23	31. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 2:50 PM EDT I would love to see the show sweep various awards and the same for JRM. There are other strong performances, to be sure, including James Frain. But put it in perspective. The show was in the emmy top 10 last year, two globe noms for JRM and one for the show. Multiple Irish wins for show and actors and multiple noms in Canada. JRM won a Golden Nymph and the show was nominated (that's the european emmys, essentially). It has been getting attention -- attention that probably outweighs it's viewership. I'm not complaining, just trying to make you feel better. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Izzy22	32. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 2:51 PM EDT I never got the impression that Charles liked working with the Boleyns in season 1, I always saw it as they were a means to an end and would help him get rid of Wolsey so I understood his hatred for Thomas Boleyn in season 2. As for his feelings towards Anne I agree with other posters in that Charles was somewhat protective of Henry. In season 1 I don't think he realised just how far the divorce thing was going to go and he wasn't really political aware then so didn't think much further than supporting the King, the consequences weren't important. In the third season, I really believe that he still cares for Henry, they're best friends and have been for a long time- I don't think he's happy about what Henry's doing but as a very loyal friend that won't stop him from supporting him. The hatred for Cromwell I think is partly because there's no Norfolk anymore so someone has to plot against Cromwell and partly, IMO, because Charles doesn't want to believe that Henry could be in any way responsible for all the religious changes and the harshness in dealing with the rebels- he doesn't want to accept just how much his friend has changed so looks to lay all the blame on Cromwell who the King obviously trusts a great deal- I don't think he's forgotten just how much influence Wolsey had over Henry and suspects that Cromwell now enjoys a similar position. As for putting a good word in for other characters, as I said before, he didn't really pay much attention to the politics in season 1 and by season 2 probably realised, particularly after his comments about Anne and subsequent banishment, that that wasn't going to do much good- Henry had made up his mind and there were other people that would be quick to eliminate any doubts he may have had. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Scarlett45	33. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 3:01 PM EDT " He worked with the Boleyn faction in season 1, yet was the one that 'ratted out' Anne to Henry and started the whole process of her fall. Yet, in the next episode he's bitching out Daddy Boleyn for putting his daughter in such a grave posiion. Umm...hello! Wasn't he the one that just dropped some supposed 'truths' in Henry's eager ear about Anne having affairs? What gives? " I think Brandon was unsupportive of Henry's marriage to Anne from the start BUT he didnt believe she and the other men should have been excecuted! Remember the look on Brandon's face when Henry was crying about Anne sleeping with "100 men". Brandon knew Anne was no saint, and in his opinion not fit to be the Queen of England but he also knew she didnt sleep with 100 men. He like a lot of others wanted her gone, but had no idea that Henry would behead her and several innocent men to get the job accomplished. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Anne'sCurls	34. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 4:20 PM EDT The thing to begin with is I dont get why he hated Wolsey in the first place. This is never explained, I get why Buckingham, Boleyn, and Norfolk hate him but how the heck did Charles get into this mess. Yes his character is written poorly and he is definitely not one of the best actors on the show, but my original criticism of him is that he is always trying to take someone else down and that is what he is going to do this season as well. I feel they are trying to make him a villain without really going for it. It is not done as well as Cromwell or Anne's bad deeds that also show them to be good people still. With Brandon its like he is bi-polar or something. My sexy guy list is David Alpay and Max. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Izzy22	35. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 4:34 PM EDT I agree about Wolsey- it was really unclear why Charles wanted to remove him from power, the only thing I can think of is that Charles wanted to return to court after marrying Margaret- Boleyn and Norfolk were willing to help get him back but only if he helped them get rid of Wolsey sp Charles got involved in the plot. I don't think they are trying to make a villain. I think they're trying to show that people were often really conflicted- Charles wanted to support the king but his personal beliefs/opinions meant that he sympathised with the rebels, as I said before I think it was easier for Charles to put all the blame on Cromwell. I certainly don't think his character isn't still shown as a good person, his relationship with his wife and family, IMO, are enough to show that and I think his battle with his conscience over how to deal with the rebels will also show that he is, and always has been a good person as I believe most people in the show are. I'm a bit confused as to why you think he's bi-polar? I'll admit only having done a bit of study on bi-polar disorder a couple of years ago and was under the impression that its largely characterised by mood swings from severe depression to manic episodes- I don't see how this relates to Charles' character. As for the writing and acting I respect your opinion but personally think both are rather good. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Anne'sCurls	36. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 5:47 PM EDT The bi-polar comment was just a joke. Now that I think about it I think the only one in the show who could have been bi-polar was Anne. Post reply 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
scooter&buster	37. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 6:32 PM EDT "I would love to see the show sweep various awards and the same for JRM. There are other strong performances, to be sure, including James Frain. But put it in perspective. The show was in the emmy top 10 last year, two globe noms for JRM and one for the show. Multiple Irish wins for show and actors and multiple noms in Canada. JRM won a Golden Nymph and the show was nominated (that's the european emmys, essentially). It has been getting attention -- attention that probably outweighs it's viewership. I'm not complaining, just trying to make you feel better." Thanks :) No matter what happens awards wise, I hope the show is good for the caeers of it's actors. It really is a high calibre series imo, and it's cast have worked their collective arses off entertaining us. They've been stunning and spectacular! Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
sara_kellie0103	38. RE: Brandon Mar 19 2009, 10:54 PM EDT "Well, I respect you're opinion...but you don't speak for everyone. For me, he is far from the sexiest guy on the show. I know I'm out numbered...he has a gazillion drooling fans, but I kinda find him boing. Yes he's attractive...but, kinda like a model in a magzine attractive. He's too 'white bread' for my tastes. I watch this series for one reason mainly....James Frain. I'm gonna regret posting this, but...what the hell :) " Well I respect your opinion too...but I never said I did speak for everyone. It's nothing but my opinion and the fact that I think Brandon is sexy wasn't meant to be taken personally. But also in my opinion, James Frain isn't much to look at but other than that he's ok. What's wrong with lookin' like a model in a magazine? If your hot enough to look like a model in a magazine then I say more power to ya. Post reply 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
lily82	39. RE: Brandon Mar 20 2009, 6:18 AM EDT " He worked with the Boleyn faction in season 1, yet was the one that 'ratted out' Anne to Henry and started the whole process of her fall. Yet, in the next episode he's bitching out Daddy Boleyn for putting his daughter in such a grave posiion. Umm...hello! Wasn't he the one that just dropped some supposed 'truths' in Henry's eager ear about Anne having affairs? What gives? " The 'bullying' of Daddy Boleyn is a 'father' reaction to Boleyn behaviour when he learned he's free to go and keep his properties. As a father, Charles don't understand how a father can rejoice of 'keeping his domain' while his children are put to death...That's why Charles gets mad, cause Boleyn acts a selfish greedy bitch and not like a grieving father... Charles's becoming a father has changed a lot his priorities....That's why he sympathies with Katherine oA's cause. because as a father, he understand her pain of being separated of her daughter (cf. HC interview for season 2). I agree with all Izzy22 said. She explained very well Charles' behavior. As for Wolsey and Cromwell's downfall, it's the same reason: they're too influent over Henry and Charles has the feeling they're up to no good and have not ever the interest of the king as their priorities before their own... Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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