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MsSquirrly
MsSquirrly
20. RE: Yay! Chapuys is back
Mar 9 2009, 1:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 9 2009, 1:13 PM EDT
with Chapuys, I don't think you can ever put a positive spin on how he felt about Anne - it was pretty clear he not only called her the concubine but also that "thin wicked old fool" in his account of the trial....however, you can see that he feels quite negative about Henry saying he had "grown horns" like some kind of Devil. He was documenting how Henry's absolute power had corrupted him into basically believing he was a god who had power over life and death..........which, he did have. Hence the reason that absolute monarchy no longer exists in our modern age. Do you find this valuable?    
Anne'sCurls
Anne'sCurls
21. RE: Yay! Chapuys is back
Mar 9 2009, 6:24 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 9 2009, 6:24 PM EDT
""Concubine" and "putain" were his preferred terms of endearment. :)

But I think what Anne'sCurls was referring to is the fact that Chapuys even admitted in one his letters that no witnesses were brought against Anne at her trial which was the customary procedure for one accused of a crime. Personally, I interpreted his "sympathy" (yes, I agree maybe not the right word) more towards the men that were executed. His exact words were, "without valid proof or confession.""
Yes beardedlady you said it better than I.
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Truth84
22. RE: Yay! Chapuys is back
Mar 10 2009, 1:55 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 10 2009, 1:55 AM EDT
"with Chapuys, I don't think you can ever put a positive spin on how he felt about Anne - it was pretty clear he not only called her the concubine but also that "thin wicked old fool" in his account of the trial....however, you can see that he feels quite negative about Henry saying he had "grown horns" like some kind of Devil. He was documenting how Henry's absolute power had corrupted him into basically believing he was a god who had power over life and death..........which, he did have. Hence the reason that absolute monarchy no longer exists in our modern age."
thank u
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pookiesmama
pookiesmama
23. RE: Yay! Chapuys is back
Mar 15 2009, 1:57 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 15 2009, 1:57 AM EDT
"yes and so much of what has been written by historians about this time is based on the Historical Chapuys' letters and he was a pivotal character because he represented spain's catholic influence on the court factions in Henry's time. He was fiercely pro-Katherine/Mary and anti-Anne and subsequently influenced Jane to some extent.

Its interesting though what Retha Warnicke said about the information he provides about the time :

"A close reading of the Ambassador's correspondence between 1529 and 1536 readily indicates that his information should be divided into at least the following four categories;
(1) repetition of ubiquitous rumors at court
(2) information deliberately leaked to him by royal servants
(3) original and sometimes unsubstantiated speculation of his own
(4)actual first-hand information such as interviews with the king and his ministers, announcements of arrivals and departures of envoys and seasonal movements of the court.
Often it is extremely difficult to decide into which of the first 3 categories the gossipy, second-hand news should fall, a difficulty that must alert scholars to the need for handling of his letters with caution."

- Retha Warnicke in her introduction to her book, The Rise and Fall of Anne Boleyn"
YOU ARE RIGHT MY FAVORITE SQUIRLLY FRIEND...A LOT OF HISTORY CAME FROM HIM
I LOVE THE GUY ACTING AS CHAPUYS HE IS GREAT.
AND THE NEW BAD BOY...YUMMY!
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