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thekombatbarbie
thekombatbarbie
Destroy your love for you survival.
Feb 12 2009, 2:01 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 12 2009, 2:01 AM EST
If you were in Henry VIII's position, could you have ordered the executions of your dear friends and true love for the sake of self preservation? Do you find this valuable?    
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Neveleo
Neveleo
1. RE: Destroy your love for you survival.
Feb 12 2009, 4:58 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 12 2009, 4:58 PM EST
I think Henry's dearest friend, and one true love, was himself! So he actually did not destroy them. He seemed to find people very dispensable and was very quick to forget any friendship or love he had felt for people previously, when it suited him to be rid of them.
He really was the epitome of a spoilt, selfish brat!!! 1  out of 7 found this valuable. Do you?    
karenofbethany
karenofbethany
2. RE: Destroy your love for you survival.
Feb 12 2009, 10:04 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 12 2009, 10:04 PM EST
"If you were in Henry VIII's position, could you have ordered the executions of your dear friends and true love for the sake of self preservation?"
Hi Kombat: Henry was in "kombat" with not only everyone else but with himself. Once he decided to be master of his universe (usurping even God), he went down the slippery slope. I think he was too self-conscious (i.e., conscious of himself) to be much concerned with the feelings of others or the true consequences of his actions. I think Henry was mentally imbalanced and because of his royal status he always leaned on his "rights" as justification for his deeds. The job of his privy council was to manipulate the law in order to get him what he wanted. Then when he changed his mind, do it again. Depending on the time and circumstance, any advisor could be expendable also. This is not my opinion, this is validated by historical fact. Do you find this valuable?    
karenofbethany
karenofbethany
3. RE: Destroy your love for you survival.
Feb 13 2009, 7:03 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 13 2009, 7:03 AM EST
Long answer to a short question: My answer to your question is no. I'd like to think I would be as forgiving and courageous as Katherine of Aragon. But this isn't to say I don't have some Henry in me, as do we all if we look deep enough. Do you find this valuable?    
thekombatbarbie
thekombatbarbie
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Feb 14 2009, 5:55 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 14 2009, 5:55 PM EST
That is very true. It was easier for him to get rid of the person that reminded him of his screw ups, than to have to deal with the fact that he needs help! Do you find this valuable?    
angelosdaughter
angelosdaughter
5. RE: Destroy your love for you survival.
Feb 14 2009, 5:57 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 14 2009, 5:57 PM EST
"Hi Kombat: Henry was in "kombat" with not only everyone else but with himself. Once he decided to be master of his universe (usurping even God), he went down the slippery slope. I think he was too self-conscious (i.e., conscious of himself) to be much concerned with the feelings of others or the true consequences of his actions. I think Henry was mentally imbalanced and because of his royal status he always leaned on his "rights" as justification for his deeds. The job of his privy council was to manipulate the law in order to get him what he wanted. Then when he changed his mind, do it again. Depending on the time and circumstance, any advisor could be expendable also. This is not my opinion, this is validated by historical fact."
I think 'sociopath' is a good description of Henry. Do you find this valuable?    
karenofbethany
karenofbethany
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Feb 14 2009, 6:11 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 14 2009, 6:11 PM EST
"I think 'sociopath' is a good description of Henry."
I'm not sure what the right "clinical" term would be - except maybe narcisstic disorder (and I know a lot of people who have it). I thought sociopath, but then that personality is unable to bond with any people including of their own sex, and Henry did have close friends (like Brandon) who faced his wrath but were forgiven...There was one man at our nursing home who had a brain injury and I was at my wits end because he just did not care what he did to people - throwing things, screaming and yelling at the little old ladies, etc. I asked to talk to his psychotherapist and she enlightened me that some people with brain injury - depending on where it is - actually lack the empathy part and are unable to care about anyone else. There have been recent studies done with advanced brain imaging which point out tendencies in schizophrenics being unable to do multiple tasks, etc., etc. I'm not attributing this to Henry. But I wonder how much of his behavior was due to physical or psychological causes, his upbringing, his isolation from "normal" people because of his position, whether he could really cope with the tremendous pressure of being a good King. He also had real spiritual crises. It would be fascinating to have an expert in the field do a case history study on Henry and find out what that person came up with. Do you find this valuable?