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BoleynGirl	60. RE: Anne's Ghost? Jul 13 2009, 6:48 AM EDT "Are there any books on Tudor ghost stories?" hey I found this..... More Great Ghost Stories (The name of the book) Today we are in an age where we feel we are scientifically minded and unprejudiced by ancient folklore. Yet still we find the subject of ghosts as thrilling as ever. This book contains ghost stories including Ann Boleyn headless in a spectral coach, phantom lovers, and unearthly revels of a dead men's club. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
elizabethtudorrose	61. RE: Anne's Ghost? Jul 13 2009, 7:40 AM EDT "hey I found this..... More Great Ghost Stories (The name of the book) Today we are in an age where we feel we are scientifically minded and unprejudiced by ancient folklore. Yet still we find the subject of ghosts as thrilling as ever. This book contains ghost stories including Ann Boleyn headless in a spectral coach, phantom lovers, and unearthly revels of a dead men's club. " Hi BG, Sounds interesting. Be sure to put it up on the Book site page after you read it. I'd bet there are others here who would love to read it as well. Regards, ETR Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AuraTopp	62. RE: Anne's Ghost? Oct 23 2009, 6:42 AM EDT "Yeah, i've heard ghosts occur because they have been wronged or have unfinished business. So for Anne B and Kitty H, they were wronlgy executed (poor Kitty didn't deserve that even if she did do it). And Jane Seymour's ghost is about because she never got the chance to know her son. They say that she walks the courtyard at Hampton Court searching for Edward (or perhaps she wanted to get as far away from Henry as she could, imagine having to be buried with him!) Are there any ghost stories on Henry's children? I haven't heard of any but then i never heard half of these hauntings until you good people enlightened me :)" Jane will now be with her son in the summerlands, it's the king who's in the dark place. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Elliemental	63. RE: Anne's Ghost? Oct 23 2009, 9:12 AM EDT Anne Boleyn`s ghost is said to haunt several places, the Tower, Hever and Blickling. Just how many places can one ghost haunt!? I`ll be honest, I don`t believe in ghosts, after life or any kind of God or deity. I`m a rationalist and a realist. I want to be upfront and honest about that. But I do also have a question for those who do believe in the above. If a ghost is meant to be a persons soul, then how come all these ghost stories (Like the one about Anne Boleyn haunting Blickling Hall) involve things like ghost `coaches` (they have no soul, surely), and why are ghosts always wearing clothes (clothes have no soul either?). Its` just one of the many reasons it all seems like utter nonsense to me. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
elizabethtudorrose	64. RE: Anne's Ghost? Oct 24 2009, 8:01 AM EDT Hi Ellie, firstly, LOLOL!! I love the way you made your statement, re clothes on a ghost! Fabulous!! I'm not an expert, but I do know a few things about ghosts, residual hauntings, imprints and spirits. I wrote a bit about this a few months ago and it's several pages back. A typical residual haunting involves a ghost. The ghost is a person who has died, but has not crossed over for whatever reasons. They remain in the state they were in when they died, so they're still wearing the same dress of the period when they died. Sometimes the ghost is friendly, often not and tries to scare away anyone invading it's space. They have no boundaries as to where they travel, so they can appear in different places. But usually they stay in the area that they died or were most comfortable in. And imprint (often mistaken as ghosts) is usually at a place where violence has occurred. Gettysburg is a good example of both residual and imprint haunting. The land is marked where the tragedy happened, so we see people fighting or being killed or feel creepy when in that area. Imprints are like a photo being shown over and over, only it's more of a video. A typical residual haunting shows the person who died dressed in what they were wearing and walking on what was there when they died. Many structures from Tudor times are either gone or altered, so you may see an apparition walking between the floors, half the body above the ceiling and the other half below. Something that involves a coach sounds to me like an Imprint more than a ghost, tho it could be either. I guess it depends on where you are when you see it, but to me a form of conveyance sounds like an imprint rather than a ghost. A spirit is a person who has died but crosses over and returns here to visit. Some people can see them, most can't. They come to check on the family and friends and sometimes leave little messages that they're watching out for us by sending, tbc Post reply Do you find this valuable?
elizabethtudorrose	65. RE: Anne's Ghost? Oct 24 2009, 8:28 AM EDT by sending birds or butterflies, dropping coins for us to find or leaving a scent they associated with. Personally, I have never seen nor heard a ghost, but I've felt their presence. I do know many people who have had a paranormal experience and seen/heard ghosts, but I personally have not. It would probably scare me to death. Feeling their presence is quite enough for me, thank you, I don't wish to see one! Ghosts are here because they don't know they are dead or don't wish to leave the residence. Many remain dormant until renovations are done at the residence, then they come out and cause trouble because they don't want their house changed. And others may leave a residence they've been haunting because care is being taken of the place and they see that only good will happen to their place, so they leave or go back to whatever state they were in before they haunted. Some may even cross over because their property is being TLC'd and they can finally go on and not have to watch over it anymore. I'm guessing all of this, it actually sounds logical in a way as to why ghosts haunt certain domains and then leave. There's a great vid of a ghost coming out of Hampton Court. The doors open and a man comes out of no where to close them. It was caught on the surveillance equipment at Hampton and the figure looks like Henry VIII in his later years. It's a really neat video and I recommend watching it when you have a chance. It's not very long, about 15 seconds, but it's quite jaw dropping. I don't have the link, but some members have also seen this footage and may have the link. Just google Hampton Court and the piece w/the video should come up. They used to say if man were meant to fly, he'd have wings, but we know that's just not the case anymore. The universe is big and we're small and limited. Anything could happen out there! Regards, ETR Post reply Do you find this valuable?
s.rochie	66. RE: Anne's Ghost? Oct 25 2009, 4:25 PM EDT The footage itself is on youtube as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sjzjyfPJqA Because it is real CCTV, and endorsed by the Hampton Court staff it has to have a certain authenticity. The figure seems to be in doubt about where to go, or how to proceed. Disorientated. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Elliemental	67. RE: Anne's Ghost? Oct 25 2009, 6:54 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 6:56 PM EDT "The footage itself is on youtube as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sjzjyfPJqA Because it is real CCTV, and endorsed by the Hampton Court staff it has to have a certain authenticity. The figure seems to be in doubt about where to go, or how to proceed. Disorientated. " Yeah, that is weird, but I suspect its` just a hoax. The security staff probably just got bored or something... However, the figure strides forward quite puropsefully, imo. I don`t think it looks disorientated at all. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
elizabethtudorrose	68. RE: Anne's Ghost? Oct 26 2009, 5:54 AM EDT It's 5:29 AM, and I've just spent the last 30 or so minutes looking at the Hampton tape. ( I just realized this is the tape folks thought was Anne Boleyn, and it does look like a woman at first. I saw it again under Henry VIII's ghost a couple of months ago and said, yeah, this is a man and it does resemble Henry.) I stopped several times mid footage to check and make sure this is not a hoax as Ellie suggests. The figure is thick and non transparent. However, just before the figure comes to close the doors, there's a little sizzle of light and then the figure appears. The hands and face look illuminated and seem to be the same colour as the sizzle of light. There are several 10th's of a second where the doors open, but nothing is there, then the sizzle and the full figure appears. I'm not an expert on imaging, but I really don't think this form is of a living person. Talk about eerie! Brrrr! 440 AM to 515 AM watching ghost footage can really blow your mind, especially if you have cats!! One of them was under the computer and started scratching the desk while I was watching. Nearly went thru the ceiling!! lolol!! But it wasn't very funny when it happened! I would think that this video has been through all the experts and is authentic. Her majesty wouldn't tolerate her guards clowning around w/security footage, so I don't think they'd risk their positions creating a hoax. I thought it may have been a front as well because you can't see through the figure, and usually ghost footage is transparent. But that little sizzle of light was what really convinced me that this is no hoax. I have no clue what part of the castle this was taken nor what it used to be back in Henry's day, but obviously those doors didn't open by themselves and the figure we see wants them shut. The doors have the bar you push to open. tbc Post reply Do you find this valuable?
elizabethtudorrose	69. RE: Anne's Ghost? Oct 26 2009, 6:12 AM EDT It's not something someone from Henry's era would be familiar with. Notice that he closes the left side first, but it doesn't shut properly. Must have pushed the bar again after closing so the door opened instead of closing. The figure does look a tad aggravated as well. Imho, this is the real thing. Whether or not this is Henry or Anne is questionable, it could be a monk for all we can tell. But something about it looks more like Henry than Anne. It's sort of sad in a way. None of Henry's wives have any reason to walk, but Henry does. Now, if the sun will only come up I'll be happy! LOLOL!! Peace, ETR Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AuraTopp	70. RE: Anne's Ghost? Oct 26 2009, 6:36 AM EDT "Are there any books on Tudor ghost stories?" Here is one if you are interested, it's called Ghosts of the Tower of London by G. Abbott isbn: 0860671232 also the link for it is http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ghosts-Tower-London-G-Abbott/dp/0860671232/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256553211&sr=1-1 Hope this helps :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AuraTopp	71. RE: Anne's Ghost? Oct 26 2009, 6:38 AM EDT "her father is also a ghost....as it is said....he can't rest because of what he had done to his children.....I don't pitty him...he deserves it...and he should be beheaded....But why did Henry let him live??" So that he could live with the guilt of what had happened, and this would have tormented him. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AuraTopp	72. RE: Anne's Ghost? Oct 26 2009, 6:41 AM EDT "yeah I know that..spooky..I'd "love" to see Anne's ghost.....hey has anyone heard about Jackson's ghost...??? you can watch a video here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y3jlzS_BZc" I bet the spirits take bets on who can make Evette Fielding scream first, ghosts do have a sense of humour. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Elliemental	73. RE: Anne's Ghost? Oct 27 2009, 4:28 PM EDT Elizabeth Tudor Rose, that flash of light could be coming from anywhere, and could reflected off any shiny surface nearby. Some bloke in a `70s` style trench coat, with nothing better to do, is just having a laugh! sorry! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
elizabethtudorrose	74. RE: Anne's Ghost? Oct 28 2009, 10:28 AM EDT Ellie, call me ETR, it's easier on the fingers, lol! Did you watch and re-watch the tape as I did, pausing and rewinding? If you do, you might just see that little sizzle of light that appears just before the figure does. I really don't think a security video placed in such a strategic position could be a hoax. Her Majesty's guards and employees wouldn't jeopardize their positions by doing such a thing, she'd sack them immediately. And I believe this tape went to experts to prove it wasn't a hoax before being put up on the net. We are small and only use 10% of our brain. It's hard to believe that we are the only living things that exist in the universe, seen or unseen, and that when we pass on, there's an end. Why do we have such big brains but only use a small portion of it? I can only guess that after we die we go on to another existence, and use more of that gray matter in the next level of life that we live. And there's too much proof that ghosts do exist. Photo's, tape footage, and EVP's have captured a lot of activity. Granted, some of it I take w/a grain of salt. But there's just so much evidence gathered that it's difficult to say ghosts don't exist. You are from the 'Auld Sodde', haven't you been told stories of Leprachauns and fairies and not to be out at night near the bog areas or fields? Aren't there any hauntings in the old castles in Ireland? Have you ever gone to a haunted place just to prove to yourself that ghosts don't exist? Gettysburgh PA in the US is a very haunted place. Folks have seen/heard a lot of paranormal things and got it on video or photos. A friend went there a few years ago and he is a non believer, but he said the place was eerie and he felt uncomfortable and that he never felt that way about anything before he went there. 56,000 men died there in just a few days! No wonder it's haunted! But, Post reply Do you find this valuable?
elizabethtudorrose	75. RE: Anne's Ghost? Oct 28 2009, 10:55 AM EDT A good deal of the ghost sightings could be Imprints. When violence like that happens it sometimes effects the land itself. I often wonder of Bosworth Field or Marston Moore is haunted because of the violence that occurred there. But you are an educated and intelligent woman, why not go out and see for yourself if ghosts exist? It should be easy to hop over to England or one of the counties in Ireland that's famous for hauntings and bring a recorder w/you to see if you catch any EVP's or have an experience that can't be explained. It could change your mind about a lot of things ie, ghosts, spirits, life after death, etc. Or, nothing will happen at all. Bring a friend w/you if you decide to go and you'll have a witness to anything that occurs. Open up the box, Ellie, and experience things. I saw you aspire to be a writer, well you certainly have the education for it and write exquisitely, but you need to open that box you live in and and try to understand more of what you don't believe in. No, lol, I'm not dogging you for your beliefs! You just seem so closed to everything, life after death and the paranormal et,al. I'm just trying to encourage you to broaden your horizons a little and have some faith that things occur that are not of this earth. You're too young to be so set in your ways and since I'm a tad older, I can definitely say that you'll change your mind as you age. I say all of this with no ill will, nor refute your personal beliefs. I'm just having a conversation and mean no harm. Peace, ETR Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Elliemental	76. RE: Anne's Ghost? Nov 1 2009, 3:25 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 1 2009, 3:25 PM EST I`m from where!?!?! Auld Sodde sounds like my grandad. BTW, I`m actually from Liverpool but I`ve lived here in Belfast for over almost a decade. You`ve given such a detailed reply, that I don`t know where to begin, lol!! I have seen the tape several times, and admit, it is spooky. It`s just that, like everything else, I believe that there is a logcal explanation for it. I believe Hampton Court Palace is now owned by the National Trust, so anyone working there would be employed by them rather than Queenie. But even so, its` not neccessarily them playing the joke, it could be an imposter of some sort (I mention this only as a possibility). As for exposing myself to hauntings, yes I have. The pub I served in during my student days was reputed to be haunted (the Middle bar, on the first floor). I was honestly, one of just three members of staff who were happy to go in there and clean up after the bar had closed (at about 1 am ish), and at that time, when you`re used to the bar being full of people and life, to have this cavernous space suddenly empty, can be very creepy. I can see why the other bar staff where so afraid of it. But again, I experienced nothing paranormal, or out of the ordinary. You mention Bosworth, I live in Belfast, as i said, and for over three decades, this city (and indeed the whole of the North of Ireland), tore itself apart in what was damn near a civil war. Many have lost their lives on every street in this city. But again, the only reminders of that period are the physical damage to the streets (crators in the pavements, little markers in the walls to remember the dead bomb victims). There is no ghostly atmosphere, or hauntings. Just a broken city trying to mend itself and look to the future. Maybe I am a little narrow minded about these things, but I have honestly never had reason to be anything but! Nothing has happened that has made me question my scepticism. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Elliemental	77. RE: Anne's Ghost? Nov 1 2009, 3:35 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 1 2009, 3:35 PM EST Oops! Ran out of wordspace there. If anything did happen to make me question my scepticism, I like to think i`d be honest enough to admit it, but it never has. Just like I`ve never had any reason to question my Atheism, theres just no proof of the existence of God, yet a whole mountain of evidence to suggest God doesn`t exist (evolution, dinosaurs and old earth theory etc). You mention Leprachauns and the like, ofcourse I`ve heard of them, but needless to say I don`t believe in them. In fact, I don`t think you`re supposed to believe in them, anymore than you`re supposed to believe in Dragons or Goblins. They`re just mythical creatures, invented by man, with old folklore attatched to them. The same goes for Banshees etc (my Gran thought she could hear a Banshee, but it turned out to be a Vixen in heat!). Thanks for your kind words about my writings, though ETR. We don`t agree on many things, but I do enjoy our chats on these threads, so thank you again. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
elizabethtudorrose	78. RE: Anne's Ghost? Nov 2 2009, 9:00 AM EST \| Post edited: Nov 2 2009, 9:00 AM EST Ah, Ellie, my mistake. I thought you were Irish born and bred and is why I referred it to the Aulde Sodde. I'm 3rd generation Irish American with some Welsh in the blood as well. It was actually a joking reference to our heritage, tho it came out clumsily. I must have misread your profile. Sorry for the mixup! Yes, lolol! It's perfectly fine to agree to disagree. That's what makes these wiki's work. Even tho we're at opposite ends of the spiritual, there's no reason we can't enjoy good conversation. I was just trying to stress that I meant no harm to you or what you believe, and I'm certainly not going to shove my own thoughts down your throat! lolol! I didn't want you to think I was on the attack, as some well meaning people are but get angry or righteous when their personal beliefs are not shared. And yes, I know of the horrors of Belfast and the continual war of Protestant vs Catholic. It seems so silly in this day and age that the wars continue over which branch of Christianity is the correct one. It's like, who cares?! The spiritual is a person's choice and not open for others to say this is wrong or right. I can understand Muslims wanting to fight Christians, but not Christians fighting Christians. I thought the Middle Ages were gone, and these silly wars over which faith is correct over with! Yes, I have always felt badly for poor Ireland. I think you're very brave to live in such a war torn city as Belfast. It can't be easy. I believe in both creation and evolution. God created, but let nature take it's course, which must confound creationists and evolutionists alike! lolol! But I have had some experiences that allow me to believe that both of the above are probable. And yes, I enjoy our conversations tremendously too. It's good to have a positive debate, even if we don't agree. Regards, ETR Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Elliemental	79. RE: Anne's Ghost? Nov 2 2009, 2:17 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 2 2009, 2:17 PM EST Hi ETR, thanks for thr reply. I didn`t feel under attack by you at all, on the contrary, you`re one of the few Spiritual (would that be the right word?) people i`ve been able to chat to, without being made to feel like a six year old, and wanting to throttle them!! Just to clarify, here in Northern Ireland, the conflict wasn`t so much about religion (although it did play its` part), but about the Catholic/Nationalist community who largely want to achieve a united Ireland and regard themselves as Irish, and the Unionist/Protestant community who wish to maintain links with the United Kingdom, and identify themselves as British. Its` more territorial than it is religious, anyway. But regardless of all that, we`re a decade into a peace process, and things are a hundred times better than when I first moved here (there were still British Army foot patrols, and bomb scares every ten minutes a decade ago). Now, it`s just like anywhere else. It`s really on the up now, so not war-torn at all, and you don`t even have to be brave to live here! lol! Anyway, I`ll keep my eye for those ghosts and get back to you!:-) Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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