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angelosdaughter
angelosdaughter
20. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Jan 28 2009, 6:01 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 28 2009, 6:01 PM EST
"The only DNA we'd have from AB would be skeletal; no blood, hair or flesh, which quickly degrade. Bones and teeth last, so we could glean some interesting data. Another idea: if we have a cast of the skull, it would be possible to reconstruct the face. We'll never be able to analyze the remains, though, as they'll never again be exhumed. The report of her bones is thorough; best possible for 1876.

As for me and my memory, thanks! Most of this all comes from being at this for forty years now; my profile on this site covers my background. I'll send you a PM for your other questions. Forty years of informal study (on my own), plus years in undergrad and grad. studies at university.

We all start somewhere - for me, it was seeing "Anne of the Thousand Days" (1969) when it was first released.

As for travel, I've been to England many, many times, the first in 1973. London has few remnants of the Tudor era, as the Great Fire destroyed most of the city in 1666 - but major arteries follow the same routes, and if one digs, it's possible to see earlier structures (a few parish churches). Museums are overwhelming for artefacts. Hampton Court was rebuilt by Henry VIII and subsequent monarchs (note Wren's contributions), Hever by the Aster family (exterior is good, interior is iffy), Greenwich is gone, as is Whitehall palace. But Westminster Hall still stands.

Thanks to Queen Victoria, not much remains of the original Tower complex. AB's apartments are long gone, as is the Great Hall (late in Elizabeth's reign, both were in ruins and had to be razed), etc. The Queen's House (erroneously identified by some[!!!] as housing AB), was not built until 1542 - but does contain some scavenged architectural features of the coronation apartments.

Paris has the same issue - little remains of the medieval/Renaissance city. But the Cluny Museum is stunning."
I, for one, am all in favor of the bones of poor Anne and all of the others being left in peace.
"Anne of the Thousand Days" was the movie that started my Tudor fascination, too, along with "A Man for All Seasons". My knowledge is based on 40 years of informal research and reading and a retentive memory. My major was History, but directed more toward the Italian Renaissance; my minor was Italian Studies.
It always amazes me how such massive castles and palaces have not survived. They would seem to be so hard to destroy. Even the site shown as the place of execution is not the original site.
I know a lot of damage was done by bombing in WWII. Most of Berlin and many German cities are rebuilt replicas of older buildings.
I am sure the religious wars through the ages did a lot of damage, too.
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karenofbethany
karenofbethany
21. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Jan 28 2009, 7:56 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 28 2009, 7:56 PM EST
I was just talking with people yesterday about the phenomenon of the internet, how there is all of this energy in the universe and it has always been there, as the ages go on, we tap into more of it. I am talking to you now, and you are all over the u.s. and europe. It makes perfect sense that the souls of human beings do not "die" but are assimilated into a being where they are part of our every day lives. Whether people believe in heaven, or the communion of saints, or whatever, the simple fact of turning on a light switch and having instant daylight should convince us that there is more than we "see" all around us. Maybe someday they will come up with a "ghost modem" and if we get the right cable, we can talk to Anne and find out just how she has been making her mark in the spirit. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
angelosdaughter
angelosdaughter
22. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Jan 28 2009, 8:22 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 28 2009, 8:22 PM EST
"I was just talking with people yesterday about the phenomenon of the internet, how there is all of this energy in the universe and it has always been there, as the ages go on, we tap into more of it. I am talking to you now, and you are all over the u.s. and europe. It makes perfect sense that the souls of human beings do not "die" but are assimilated into a being where they are part of our every day lives. Whether people believe in heaven, or the communion of saints, or whatever, the simple fact of turning on a light switch and having instant daylight should convince us that there is more than we "see" all around us. Maybe someday they will come up with a "ghost modem" and if we get the right cable, we can talk to Anne and find out just how she has been making her mark in the spirit."
Wouldn't that be cool?
I heard in passing on TV someone saying that you can take a cup and break it, but what it was is still there. I also heard somewhere that we are still breathing the same air our andcestors breathed. Things change form, but they still exist, or as it says on the pediment of the mausoleum down the road "Vita mutatur non tollitur" "Life is changed, not taken away".
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BoleynGirl
BoleynGirl
23. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Jan 30 2009, 11:01 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2009, 11:01 AM EST


"Her ghost is said to draw up to the door of the stately home in a carriage pulled by headless horses and driven by a headless coachman."



Anne's father, Sir Thomas Boleyn, is also said to haunt Blickling Hall, a National Trust property.It is said that Anne appears on Christmas Eve to Hever castle.....Then let me ask something ..if they know when she appears why don't they put cameras???then there should be some eveidence if her ghosts exists

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karenofbethany
karenofbethany
24. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Jan 30 2009, 5:59 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2009, 5:59 PM EST
"Wouldn't that be cool?
I heard in passing on TV someone saying that you can take a cup and break it, but what it was is still there. I also heard somewhere that we are still breathing the same air our andcestors breathed. Things change form, but they still exist, or as it says on the pediment of the mausoleum down the road "Vita mutatur non tollitur" "Life is changed, not taken away". "
And rain is recycled so the rain you have today maybe fell in Peru in the recent past; it rains, it evaporates, it is assimilated, it travels, and goes down again, mixed of course with other elements. And it, too, has always been there, it just keeps coming around.
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tudorcrazy
tudorcrazy
25. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Feb 25 2009, 10:13 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 25 2009, 10:13 PM EST
"So I have often heard that hte ghost of Anne Boleyn haunts the Tower of London and the question that has always been on my mind is how the heck do they know its her? It's not like the face from the portrait is the one walking around there. Plus was she really the only dark haired woman who was executed there? Then Ive heard stories of a ghost walking around without a head; so if it doesnt have a head how eactly can you be sure its Anne Boleyn? These are just questions that have always dogged me. "
great question. I have to think almost everyone who died there was beheaded, so I don't know how they know it's Anne. But if she's still around, I wonder what she thinks of the Tudors, and JRM? Do you think she would think he's sexy??
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Anne'sCurls
Anne'sCurls
26. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Feb 25 2009, 11:34 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 25 2009, 11:34 PM EST
I don't know if anyone would have this info but when exactly did this story of the ghost of Anne Boleyn start? Was she always there or did these stories all of a sudden pop up when she became famous because of Elizabeth? Do you find this valuable?    
TillyT2
TillyT2
27. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Feb 26 2009, 6:27 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 26 2009, 6:27 AM EST
Has anyone here ever visited an historic site and really felt the atmosphere of the place - good or bad? I remember visiting a castle in Devon called Berry Pomeroy which is reputedly haunted and found it very very oppressive yet I've been to other sites where dreadful things have happened and felt nothing. Do you find this valuable?    
JP25
JP25
28. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Feb 28 2009, 4:35 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 28 2009, 4:35 PM EST
Probably the reason they say that it is anne's ghoust is because she is so famous, you rarely hear of a ghost who isn't! lol There are many ghost stories about the tudors, I think the most famous being the one of Henry 8th at hampton court. But i haveheard of many more such as Anne riding in a carrage towards hever carrying her own head on the anniversary of her execution, however there is a similar onewritten about her father. There is also a haunting which is said to be of poor Katherine of Aragon walking in one of her gardens. I also know someone who claims to have been possessed by Mary Queen of Scots at Tutbury castle whilst wearing one of her dresses. What you make of theseghost stories is your own choice, I think currently I am still undecided. However I have also been to Berry Pomeroy in Devon and there is a definate atmosphere to the place, especially at the bottom of one of their towers. I think ghost hunting is a fasinating subject, what would you ask of Anne Boleyn or Henry 8th or even Robert Dudley if you had the chance? Do you find this valuable?    
Hever
Hever
29. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Feb 28 2009, 6:29 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 28 2009, 6:29 PM EST
"I don't know if anyone would have this info but when exactly did this story of the ghost of Anne Boleyn start? Was she always there or did these stories all of a sudden pop up when she became famous because of Elizabeth?"
Since when did Anne become famous because of Elizabeth?
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Anne'sCurls
Anne'sCurls
30. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Feb 28 2009, 9:39 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 28 2009, 9:39 PM EST
If it was not for Elizabeth no one would have taken a second look at Anne Boleyn, but because of Elizabeth and the protestant religion in England she has become the most famous of Henry's wives and one of the most famous queen consorts of England. Do you find this valuable?    
Reggie19
Reggie19
31. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Feb 28 2009, 10:03 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 28 2009, 10:04 PM EST
"what would you ask of Anne Boleyn or Henry 8th or even Robert Dudley if you had the chance? "
I'd ask Anne what she thinks of the world now, because she would have fitted better in our society than the repressed one she was executed unjustly in, Anne was anything but repressed.

Henry, first of all i'd say "ha ha", because Elizabeth led such an amazing rule that an era has been named after her, and she was a woman, and half the product of a woman who he condemned as an adulterating, incestuous witch. Also, i'd ask what does he think of the fact that it's a man who determines the sex of a child genetically.

Robert Dudley... i'd ask was there more of a relationship between him and Elizabeth than met the eye!
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tudorcrazy
tudorcrazy
32. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Mar 1 2009, 12:53 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2009, 12:53 PM EST
How I would love to interview them now.
My question to Anne would be did she really love Henry?
My question to Henry would be what would you have done differently or regret? Hopefully he would give a more thoughtful answer than George Bush did!
I woudn't ask Dudley anything.
These people would be so fascinated by our culture, and amzed that we are still talking about them hundreds of years later. They wouldn't like London being inhabited with all the foreigners, but Henry would love You tube, concerts and televison. He would love to be on air force one, and have a Rolls Royce.
I think Thomas More would be the happiest to see the European union, nationalized healthcare and education for all. He would like the socialist aspect of Europe now.
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Hever
Hever
33. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Mar 1 2009, 2:18 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2009, 2:18 PM EST
"If it was not for Elizabeth no one would have taken a second look at Anne Boleyn, but because of Elizabeth and the protestant religion in England she has become the most famous of Henry's wives and one of the most famous queen consorts of England. "
If you say so. That's a bizarre statement.
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JP25
JP25
34. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Mar 1 2009, 7:34 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2009, 7:34 PM EST
"Robert Dudley... i'd ask was there more of a relationship between him and Elizabeth than met the eye!"
Lol, thats exactly what I would ask him too!
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metalempress
35. RE: Anne's Ghost?
May 7 2009, 12:06 PM EDT | Post edited: May 7 2009, 12:06 PM EDT
"That's a good point. I'm a skeptic about ghosts but I do think in rare circumstances it is possible to have a paranormal experience (or atleast think you're having one). The guard very well could have seen a ghost, but I'm skeptical it was really the ghost of Anne Boleyn, since he used portraits (there are no surviving portraits of Anne Boleyn, all that survives are copies and plus, if the ghost was really headless, how can one identify a headless ghost when most portraits of Anne show little else above the chest?). As others have already noted Anne wasn't the only woman executed on Tower Green, there were four others - Margaret Pole, Catherine Howard, Jane Boleyn, Jane Grey, all from the Tudor period and all were beheaded. So if there's a headless of ghost of a woman dressed in clothing of a Tudor noblewoman it could be any of these ladies as well as Anne Boleyn. But there were many other women who were imprisoned in the Tower who could be likely candiates for having a ghost haunt the place as much as Anne. Arabella Stuart was a rival for the throne, a cousin of James I and Elizabeth who died in the Tower in 1615 after spending 4 years imprisoned there. She was arrested after trying to escape the country with William Seymour (a descendant of Jane Seymour's brother Edward, his son also named Edward married Catherine Grey without permission and one of their sons was William). Although Arabella wouldn't be walking around without a head I think she could be just as likely to haunt the place. There was also Anne Askew who was tortured there but was executed at Smithfield. I do find it amussing that whenever there's a story about a headless lady ghost folks assume it's Anne Boleyn or Katherine Howard. "
Margaret Pole would not be a ghost for she was venerated as a catholic martyr she is two steps away from being recognized as a catholic saint first the beatification and then being actually canonized no she is heaven
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metalempress
36. RE: Anne's Ghost?
May 7 2009, 12:09 PM EDT | Post edited: May 7 2009, 12:09 PM EDT
"Margaret Pole would not be a ghost for she was venerated as a catholic martyr she is two steps away from being recognized as a catholic saint first the beatification and then being actually canonized no she is heaven "
oh by the way there is another ghost that occupies the tower that is lady jane grey
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Honey-Beezz
Honey-Beezz
37. RE: Anne's Ghost?
May 7 2009, 5:20 PM EDT | Post edited: May 7 2009, 5:20 PM EDT
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"Her ghost is said to draw up to the door of the stately home in a carriage pulled by headless horses and driven by a headless coachman."



Anne's father, Sir Thomas Boleyn, is also said to haunt Blickling Hall, a National Trust property.It is said that Anne appears on Christmas Eve to Hever castle.....Then let me ask something ..if they know when she appears why don't they put cameras???then there should be some eveidence if her ghosts exists

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Whether or not you believe in ghosts,there are too many stories all thru the centuries of people seeing apparitions;great sorrow was one reason given why a ghost would always be seen in one area. The Tower has been soaked in blood thru the years,and if anyone had a reason to walk it was Anne Boleyn. A ghost is just a remnant,a memory if you wish. While I said Anne had reason to walk,I believe she had made her peace at the end and went to her reward. It's Henry who should be walking for eternity.
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CarolineZ
CarolineZ
38. RE: Anne's Ghost?
May 7 2009, 5:25 PM EDT | Post edited: May 7 2009, 5:25 PM EDT
"Whether or not you believe in ghosts,there are too many stories all thru the centuries of people seeing apparitions;great sorrow was one reason given why a ghost would always be seen in one area. The Tower has been soaked in blood thru the years,and if anyone had a reason to walk it was Anne Boleyn. A ghost is just a remnant,a memory if you wish. While I said Anne had reason to walk,I believe she had made her peace at the end and went to her reward. It's Henry who should be walking for eternity."
If there are ghosts, I hope they are just a shadow or echo of what has been and the person's soul can rest in peace.
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BoleynGirl
BoleynGirl
39. RE: Anne's Ghost?
Jun 24 2009, 6:09 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2009, 6:09 AM EDT
" It's Henry who should be walking for eternity."
I agree 100%!!
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