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pookiesmama
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Charles Brandon's children
Dec 17 2008, 1:02 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 17 2008, 1:02 AM EST
Did you know that both sons Charles had with Catherine died of the sweating sickness within ONE hour of each other,
HOW DO YOU think Charles would have felt about Lady Jane Gray's claim to the throne???
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Tudorprincess
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1. RE: Charles Brandon's children
Dec 17 2008, 12:50 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 17 2008, 12:50 PM EST
Aww that's so sad. I am so glad i didn't have to live back then! So much death and illness. Makes me appreciate my life all the more.

Charles has descendants to the throne with Prince William and Harry. Jane's younger sister Catherine married Edward Seymour's son and their line eventually merged with the Spencer family and Princess Diana is a direct descendant.
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offwithherhead
offwithherhead
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Dec 18 2008, 6:58 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 18 2008, 6:58 AM EST
"Did you know that both sons Charles had with Catherine died of the sweating sickness within ONE hour of each other,
HOW DO YOU think Charles would have felt about Lady Jane Gray's claim to the throne???"
I have been thinking about your question since you posted it yesterday, and I think that Charles Brandon would have been of two minds...firstly, I think he, having spent most of his life at court and falling in and out of favor with the King, would have been pleased at the prospect that his bloodline was on the throne of England. But secondly, I believe that he, having seen the many intrigues of court, would have been acutely aware just how precarious her claim to the throne was....after all, no woman had been Queen of England in her own right to that time, and the threat of Henry's two other children's claim to the throne would have to be of concern, since they were of Henry's direct bloodline. Whether or not he would have been as concerned about her actual welfare (since women seemed to be dispensible to many back then) I don't really know. So all in all I believe he would have been intrigued with the prospect of her being on the throne, but I think he would have been cautious if and how that came to be....you could lose your head over things like that!

What do you think pookiesmama....or anyone else? :)
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Boudica
Boudica
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Dec 18 2008, 9:24 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 18 2008, 9:24 AM EST
"I have been thinking about your question since you posted it yesterday, and I think that Charles Brandon would have been of two minds...firstly, I think he, having spent most of his life at court and falling in and out of favor with the King, would have been pleased at the prospect that his bloodline was on the throne of England. But secondly, I believe that he, having seen the many intrigues of court, would have been acutely aware just how precarious her claim to the throne was....after all, no woman had been Queen of England in her own right to that time, and the threat of Henry's two other children's claim to the throne would have to be of concern, since they were of Henry's direct bloodline. Whether or not he would have been as concerned about her actual welfare (since women seemed to be dispensible to many back then) I don't really know. So all in all I believe he would have been intrigued with the prospect of her being on the throne, but I think he would have been cautious if and how that came to be....you could lose your head over things like that!

What do you think pookiesmama....or anyone else? :)"
That's are really good response, offwithherhead! I'm not really sure either what Charles would have thought about his granddaughter becoming Queen - not just queen consort but queen in her own right! As you said, at that time no woman (aside from Mathilda and that wasn't used as a positive example of female soverignty in England) had ever come to the throne in her own right.

I think Charles and Mary would have been thrilled if Edward VI had lived and took Jane as his queen, but I'm not sure how they would have felt about Jane becoming queen by usurption of Mary Tudor's right to the throne. Certainly Mary, Henry's sister, was very supportive of Katherine of Aragon, and her niece was named after her, so I'm not sure Mary would have liked the idea because in her opinion it displaced a legitimate hier. And if you throw in the divine right of kings, which possibly Charles believed also, then Jane would have committed a great sin against God for being part of a coup that displaced the legitimate hier of a divinely appointed soverign.

But then again, Brandon clearly was an ambitious sort of fellow (married a princess and then a hieress!) but I'm not sure if he would have believed the manner in which Jane became queen was the right way. I think he would have been happy with his granddaughter becoming queen consort, but I'm not sure about queen in her own right.
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offwithherhead
offwithherhead
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Dec 18 2008, 10:08 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 18 2008, 10:08 AM EST
" And if you throw in the divine right of kings, which possibly Charles believed also, then Jane would have committed a great sin against God for being part of a coup that displaced the legitimate hier of a divinely appointed soverign.

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Thanks Boudica! I had not thought about the "divinity" factor and that is an excellent point. After all, that had to one of the main reasons that a country would be so supportive of a "child" (Edward VI) soverign to rule over them. Can you imagine a child as President or Prime Minister?....on second thought, that might not be any worse! LOL. Anyway, that was a very good point to bring up! :)

Pookiesmama sure posted a thought provoking question.
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