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Howard50
Howard50
22. RE: Howard vs Seymour Faction - Which faction was the most powerful?
Dec 19 2008, 3:29 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 19 2008, 3:29 PM EST
Excellent bearedlady Henry was 5th cousins with Jane one pointer she was also 3 time's removed via wedlock . Do you find this valuable?    
Howard50
Howard50
23. RE: Howard vs Seymour Faction - Which faction was the most powerful?
Dec 19 2008, 3:33 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 19 2008, 3:33 PM EST
Anne Howard Pardon?. i happen to be decendent from that line thank you. and yes i live in wiltshire and yes its in the South of England . 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Howard50
Howard50
24. RE: Howard vs Seymour Faction - Which faction was the most powerful?
Dec 19 2008, 3:52 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 19 2008, 3:52 PM EST
Anyway Moving on.
Hi Everyone. I Hope That I Maybe Of Some Help In Some Way In Regard's My Family. Hand's On Is Always The Best Way So They Say. My line Belong's To 'Henry Seymour whom Was Brother To Jane, Jane Was My 10th Great Aunt. Please Give Me A Little Time To Look Around So I May Indever To UnderStand The Workings On This SIte. With Much Respect To You All Howard.
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mel82msn
25. RE: Howard vs Seymour Faction - Which faction was the most powerful?
May 1 2009, 11:54 AM EDT | Post edited: May 1 2009, 11:54 AM EDT
The Howards... who produced one of the most important people in England's history, Queen Elizabeth, she was the daughter of Anne, who's mother was a Howard. It was Anne who had the King break from the Catholic Church. That was the first and big turn and it was all over a Howard girl. 0  out of 8 found this valuable. Do you?    
Howard50
Howard50
26. RE: Howard vs Seymour Faction - Which faction was the most powerful?
May 19 2009, 8:22 AM EDT | Post edited: May 19 2009, 8:22 AM EDT
"It's interesting you've picked the time frame 1540-47, since that was probably the most turbulent time frame for both factions. Both had significant impacts, but since the Howards were clearly on the ebb by the death of Henry VIII I would have to go with the Seymours. Not only was the hier to the throne a Seymour, the lord protector was his uncle and even before he came to that position Edward Seymour held considerable influence due to his military service.

In terms of religion definately the Seymours had the most lasting impact, although that happened after Henry VIII died and Edward VI was king - all the heresy laws were abolished and Protestantism was practiced openly and the Catholic mass was banned, that was all the work of the Seymours.

As far as the Howards are concerned, there was a second Howard relation who became queen consort during that time, but we all know how that turned out. Catherine Parr who came afterwards was more pro-Seymour, the Howards didn't advance much during that time. There was also the falling out and imprisonment of Thomas Howard and his son Henry who was executed for treason. Thomas Howard remained a prisoner in the Tower for the reign of Edward VI, so really it wasn't a good decade to be a Howard."
Wonderful comment the media keep saying the Seymour family were infact Catholics they were not they were infact as you kind of stated here Protestant even my own 4th great grandfather declaired publicly he was a Protestant on the Birtish Protestant returns..
Jane was seen to be a Catholic because of her attraction toward forms of the Catholic belife but that didnt mean she was infact a Catholic..her wish was to be burried in a none Catholic Church it was nothing to do with Henry making that choice for her if that is so wouldn't she have been burried were there son was burried and then Henry after a long with there Son after the Seymour family were never Catholic's or ever Have Been we are Protestant. TY..
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Howard50
Howard50
27. RE: Howard vs Seymour Faction - Which faction was the most powerful?
May 19 2009, 8:25 AM EDT | Post edited: May 19 2009, 8:25 AM EDT
"They were fifth cousins three times removed, which is closely enough related they got a special dispensation in order to marry."
Correct they were related Jane was infact his 5th cousin 3 times removed via marraige only.. the link to them being related was on Janes fathers side of the family.. ;-)
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Tudorprincess
Tudorprincess
28. RE: Howard vs Seymour Faction - Which faction was the most powerful?
May 19 2009, 8:40 AM EDT | Post edited: May 19 2009, 8:42 AM EDT
I thought it was the mother's side. Henry and Jane were both descendents of Edward III, Jane through the Duke of Clarence and Henry through the Duke of York. She was a descendant of Henry Hotspur and i think his grandaughter married a Wentworth, which was her mother's maiden name. Actually looking at the family tree in Antonia Fraser's book lol, Henry was also descended through the Clarence line so they were related a couple of times over! Do you find this valuable?    
royalwatcher
royalwatcher
29. RE: Howard vs Seymour Faction - Which faction was the most powerful?
May 20 2009, 6:50 AM EDT | Post edited: May 20 2009, 6:50 AM EDT
"But the Seymours have more scandals! (my area of expertise). Sir John Seymour had an affair with his own daughter-in-law and had two children by her. Yucky. When Edward found out he sent his wife away to a convent and refused to recognize the children. I wonder if the The Tudors is going to touch on that scandal. It seems ripe for miniseries drama. Anyway, the Seymours' influence at court is fascinating too because nothing seemed to keep them down.

I would love to hear what other people think about the two families?
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I doubt they're going to touch on the scandal with Edward Seymour's first wife as they already have his second wife on the show (Anne Stanhope) unless they bring in some long-lost disinherited children from the first marriage seeking revenge on him for cutting them off or something. That would be cool.
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Howard50
Howard50
30. RE: Howard vs Seymour Faction - Which faction was the most powerful?
May 26 2009, 6:50 AM EDT | Post edited: May 26 2009, 6:50 AM EDT
Hi Tudorprincess infact it was both sides of the family there is more info out there but you have to dig deep enough to find it but most royals interbred both her parents lines go back to Henrys lines ..;-) Do you find this valuable?    
theothertudorgirl
theothertudorgirl
31. RE: Howard vs Seymour Faction - Which faction was the most powerful?
May 26 2009, 7:02 AM EDT | Post edited: May 26 2009, 7:02 AM EDT
"I doubt they're going to touch on the scandal with Edward Seymour's first wife as they already have his second wife on the show (Anne Stanhope) unless they bring in some long-lost disinherited children from the first marriage seeking revenge on him for cutting them off or something. That would be cool."
True, I wouldn't put it past Hirst to do that. It does seem that it would be something Hirst would like to right instead of this story though Anne Stanhope is having an affair with Sir Francis Bryan so I guess they might put the story line in that way. Different Wife and A Made Up Affair, something you would expect to see on the Tudors.
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