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howardfan |
1. RE: Relationship of Charles and his wife Catherine?
Oct 17 2008, 3:52 AM EDT
"What do you think of Charles Brandon's relationship with his wife Catherine?"good question i personally do not think its correctly portrayed on the show, catherine did not hate anne boleyn and want to "Destroy" her as the early season two episode would have u think. From what i have read in historical novels and bio's it appears that charles was loyal to henry in every way and was not banished from court for questioning anne's virginity with one Thomas wyatt as this was added to the storyline. Charles was married before he took his ward catherine willoughby to be his wife, i suggest reading "the sixth wife" by Susannah dunn, she is a great author and has reasearched the woman quite well, the book is actually based on Catherine brandons point of view as a widow to charles, staying frequently on and off at Kate parr and Thomas seymours house. it appears to me that catherine brandon is a colder woman, strong and wise beyond her years, as was noted that kate parr was also well accustomed to the life of a widow, catherine was after the death of her charles brandon who was much older than her when she married him at 17... she had two children to charles, boys infact and although the book adds a ficticous spin, with Catherine having an affair with thomas seymour behind kates back, it does not deviate into the natural rumour that thomas and elizabeth were having sexual relations which is good. Yeah so this is all i know on Catherine and charles, please correct me if im wrong but i was not aware that charles had any extra marital affairs behind Catherines back....the show would have u think otherwise 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
Boudica |
2. RE: Relationship of Charles and his wife Catherine?
Oct 17 2008, 10:06 AM EDT
Speaking historically, I wouldn't describe her as "cold". She was remarked for her beauty and her kindness and learning. She was a good stepmother to Charles' children, Frances Brandon, the mother of Lady Jane Grey, was a life long friend. She was a Protestant, something Charles was not. Both Charles and his previous wife Mary Tudor hated Anne Boleyn, Mary at time more vocal than Charles because she had the privilege of being the King's sister and didn't run the risk of being reprimanded as someone who wasn't royal would. I'm not sure what exactly Catherine's views of Anne Boleyn were. Religiously they had a lot in common, but Catherine had personal ties to Queen Katherine because her mother, Maria de Salinas, was one of her Spanish ladies in waiting (which never got brought up in Season 2, I wish it had) and according to some accounts the Queen died in Maria's arms. After Charles died, Catherine became even more of an avid Protestant when she sponsored John Day (a publisher of Protestant books) and even had the Suffolk coat of arms printed on some of his books. During Mary I's reign she fled to Europe with other English Protestants and helped establish Stranger Churches there. The series has their relationship a little skewed IMO. Charles was pushing 50 when they were married and Catherine was a teenage hieress with a large fortune. It's likely their marriage was based on money than love. Plus I haven't read anything about Charles being a big womanizer while married to Mary and Catherine, his earlier marriages were complicated though. I think Charles' true love was Mary Tudor (aka Margaret) in history, but in the series it looks like more of a passing fling that eventually deteriorated. Also, Catherine was portrayed as Charles' hope of stable monogamy, which he later screwed up. I'm interested to see where they go in Season 3 since they both will be there! Do you find this valuable? |
luvprue2 |
3. RE: Relationship of Charles and his wife Catherine?
Mar 24 2009, 11:14 AM EDT
"good questionTrue, here is no evidence that Charles had an affairs on Catherine while they were married . However he could have, but if he did, he was very very discreet. By the time Charles Brandon married his ward Catherine he was already 50 years old. (I heard that Catherine might have been younger than 17. I heard she might have been 25, or 16. She was said to be a year, or two younger than his son Henry Brandon who she was originally suppose to married. Do you find this valuable? |
Nofretete |
4. RE: Relationship of Charles and his wife Catherine?
Mar 24 2009, 11:31 AM EDT
"The series has their relationship a little skewed IMO. Charles was pushing 50 when they were married and Catherine was a teenage hieress with a large fortune. It's likely their marriage was based on money than love. "He definitely married her for her money. I think he was in dire need of money because he still had to pay yearly installments of 4000 pds to Henry for marrying Mary Tudor and to pay back her dowry. They paid all of Mary's life and I think when she died the debt still wasn't covered! As long as Mary was alive they had her income as well (I read about 10000 a year), but after her death Charles had to come up with the money on his own and apparently that wasn't easy to come up with. So he married the rich heiress him and Mary had originally intended for their son instead. The show has definitely romanticized their relationship. And I bet the real Charles Brandon would have preferred an arm wrestling match with Henry to paying back all that money! Do you find this valuable? |
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Verlah |
5. RE: Relationship of Charles and his wife Catherine?
Oct 23 2009, 1:48 PM EDT
"What do you think of Charles Brandon's relationship with his wife Catherine?"It seems to me to be more like a brother-and-sister-relationship, and not even a very deep one. I think he needed a good stepmother for his children, that's the main reason why he married her. He esteems her because of her reliable character but he does not seem to me to be deeply in love with her. Because of esteeming her he does not want to hurt her, and therefore he tries to be a good and faithful husband. In the TV series, they try to sell their relationship as romantic but it does not come across plausibly. Do you find this valuable? |
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Nofretete |
6. RE: Relationship of Charles and his wife Catherine?
Oct 23 2009, 2:08 PM EDT
"True, here is no evidence that Charles had an affairs on Catherine while they were married . However he could have, but if he did, he was very very discreet. By the time Charles Brandon married his ward Catherine he was already 50 years old. (I heard that Catherine might have been younger than 17. I heard she might have been 25, or 16. She was said to be a year, or two younger than his son Henry Brandon who she was originally suppose to married. "She was born in March 1519 or 1520 it seems. so she would have been 14 or 15, when she married. But she was older than his son, about four years. Charles Brandon and Mary Tudor had two sons named Henry, one born in 1516 (their first child), who died as a very young child and one born in 1522 (their fourth child), who was created Earl of Lincoln in 1525 and who died at the age of 11 in 1534. People think they were the same person, because they had the same name and they both died so young. But Maria Perry in her biography of Mary mentions two sons Henry and Charles Brandon's biographer Steven Gunn mentions two as well. Chapuys calls him 10 in 1533 when he writes to the emperor about the marriage between Brandon and Catherine and Hall in his chronicle mentions Henry Brandon being 2 years old at his creation Earl in 1525. That can't be the boy born in 1516, but it was the one Catherine was betrothed to. Do you find this valuable? |
