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howardfan	yay Reginald Pole is gonna be in the tudors Sep 13 2008, 7:35 PM EDT I was actually wondering when they were going to bring this family into it as they were the supporters of edward and richard III and desecendants are they not? i can see why the pope wanted to push him forward for king, being a family of devout catholics and all but alas henry got to him first and what a sad ending that family had, i actually read about them in starkeys book and maragret georges, even if her book is fiction i like the fact she stuck to the hardcore facts on them also this guy is incredibly hot, pole in the portrait wasnt that dashing lol but hey its t.v Post reply 4 out of 18 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: lady salisbury margaret pole mark hildreth reginald pole
MsSquirrly	1. RE: yay Reginald Pole is gonna be in the tudors Sep 13 2008, 7:48 PM EDT yes, and I am wondering if they will include the terrible fate of his mother Margaret Pole. She appeared in a small part in season 1 as Mary's governess (Lady Salisbury) so it will be interesting to see if they give her a larger part in season 3. It was pretty barbaric, what henry did to that poor old lady. and yes...Mark Hildreth is pretty dishy ...for a clergy man LOL. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
howardfan	2. RE: yay Reginald Pole is gonna be in the tudors Sep 14 2008, 12:20 AM EDT "yes, and I am wondering if they will include the terrible fate of his mother Margaret Pole. She appeared in a small part in season 1 as Mary's governess (Lady Salisbury) so it will be interesting to see if they give her a larger part in season 3. It was pretty barbaric, what henry did to that poor old lady. and yes...Mark Hildreth is pretty dishy ...for a clergy man LOL." oh i know, im reading about lady salsibury now in starkeys book, she is also mentioned in maragret georges fiction, which is almost fact lol cuz there's so much true history in there. I felt most sorry for margaret pole (lady salisbury) in fact the whole family were condenmed thanks to henry VIII Post reply 2 out of 15 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Carriep	3. RE: yay Reginald Pole is gonna be in the tudors Sep 14 2008, 11:36 AM EDT The Poles were descendants of Edward IV and Richard III's middle brother George. George married Isabelle Neville who was the sister of Richard III's wife Anne. Like most incompetent royal sibs George thought he could do better than Edward as king and went around spreading a rumor that Edward was a bastard and when that didn't work (the trio's mother wasn't nicknamed Proud Cis for nothing) he committed treason by supporting Margaret of Anjou (the Lancasterian Queen). Margaret Pole (formerly Plantagenet) and her brother who was killed for Catherine of Aragon, were George's kids and Richard III made them his heirs after his own son and wife died. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
offwithherhead	4. RE: yay Reginald Pole is gonna be in the tudors Sep 14 2008, 9:53 PM EDT "yes, and I am wondering if they will include the terrible fate of his mother Margaret Pole. She appeared in a small part in season 1 as Mary's governess (Lady Salisbury) so it will be interesting to see if they give her a larger part in season 3. It was pretty barbaric, what henry did to that poor old lady. " If they do go into detail about Margaret Pole I don't know if I could watch what she experienced on the block....it would bother me! the cruelty of the executions of that time makes me cringe anyway. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
tudorcrazy	5. RE: yay Reginald Pole is gonna be in the tudors Dec 24 2008, 10:50 AM EST wasn't he romantically tied to young Mary Tudor. Somewhere I read of her love for him, and they should develpo Lady Salisbury, as she was a major player. I need to look it up again. Didn'y she come with KOA as one of her ladys, and then married Salisbury? Confused I think Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DuchessGrey	6. RE: yay Reginald Pole is gonna be in the tudors Dec 27 2008, 3:24 PM EST "The Poles were descendants of Edward IV and Richard III's middle brother George. George married Isabelle Neville who was the sister of Richard III's wife Anne. Like most incompetent royal sibs George thought he could do better than Edward as king and went around spreading a rumor that Edward was a bastard and when that didn't work (the trio's mother wasn't nicknamed Proud Cis for nothing) he committed treason by supporting Margaret of Anjou (the Lancasterian Queen). Margaret Pole (formerly Plantagenet) and her brother who was killed for Catherine of Aragon, were George's kids and Richard III made them his heirs after his own son and wife died. " Yes. Henry VII had Edward (Margaret's brother) killed and forced Margaret to marry Richard Pole (who was far below her station) in order to protect the Tudor Dynasty and ensure it could not be threatened. Edward Plantagenet was the last of the senior line and after his death the Plantagenets became extinct. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Jes89	7. RE: yay Reginald Pole is gonna be in the tudors Dec 27 2008, 3:47 PM EST "wasn't he romantically tied to young Mary Tudor. Somewhere I read of her love for him, and they should develpo Lady Salisbury, as she was a major player. I need to look it up again. Didn'y she come with KOA as one of her ladys, and then married Salisbury? Confused I think" I want to know this too!!!!!! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DuchessGrey	8. RE: yay Reginald Pole is gonna be in the tudors Dec 27 2008, 7:05 PM EST Reginald Pole was considered a possible consort for Mary Tudor (Henry VIII's daughter) at one time. Henry, like his father, held a deep dislike for the Pole family given their closeness to the throne so it of course never happened. Although, Mary and Reginald would have made an excellent match, as he was the most suited bloodline wise. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
tudorcrazy	9. RE: yay Reginald Pole is gonna be in the tudors Dec 27 2008, 11:17 PM EST "Reginald Pole was considered a possible consort for Mary Tudor (Henry VIII's daughter) at one time. Henry, like his father, held a deep dislike for the Pole family given their closeness to the throne so it of course never happened. Although, Mary and Reginald would have made an excellent match, as he was the most suited bloodline wise." this is a whole series within itself. Boy, they could have a hayday with this without even embellishing it. Yes, they really tortured poor Lady Salisbury. It s very telling that she tells another lady of the young Pincess E, that you should marry a man who knows nothing of politics, and the court, and if you're lucky, you'll die in childbirth or the plague. Gruesome good advice, that Elizabeth remembered and lived to a ripe old age by! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Boudica	10. RE: yay Reginald Pole is gonna be in the tudors Dec 30 2008, 12:14 PM EST "Didn'y she come with KOA as one of her ladys, and then married Salisbury? Confused I think" You're thinking of Maria de Salinas, the mother of Catherine Willoughby, she came to England from Spain in the early 16th century to be KoA's lady-in-waiting and married an English nobleman. Margaret Pole was from English royal blood, more royal than Henry VII's, which is why she was married off to Richard Pole a man who was considered below her rank (his mother was the half sister of Margaret Beaufort, they shared the same mother but her sister had no royal connections). As DuchessGrey stated Reginald was considered a possible match for Princess Mary, but after he became a priest of course, that option was off the table. I don't think they were romantically involved, as Reginald was 16 years older than Mary, when she was born he was studying in Oxford. Then he studied in Italy and France from the early 1520's on and after he spoke out against the King's divorce and became a cardinal he lived in the continent as a papal legate and an exile. He didn't return to England until after Mary ascended the throne in 1553 so I don't think there was any romantic feelings between them. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
tudorcrazy	11. RE: yay Reginald Pole is gonna be in the tudorsSO SORRY, YOURE RIGHT Dec 30 2008, 2:33 PM EST SORRY, YOU ARE SO RIGHT. ot my facts confused.And Philippa gregory got her two cents in, in the "Constant Princess," that did infere they loved eachother. I need to do some more derious reading, and stop being on the wilki so much! I ould even cook my kids some dinner. So sorry Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Boudica	12. RE: yay Reginald Pole is gonna be in the tudorsSO SORRY, YOURE RIGHT Dec 30 2008, 2:50 PM EST "SORRY, YOU ARE SO RIGHT. ot my facts confused.And Philippa gregory got her two cents in, in the "Constant Princess," that did infere they loved eachother. I need to do some more derious reading, and stop being on the wilki so much! I ould even cook my kids some dinner. So sorry" That's totally fine, Tudorcrazy, with every other person named Mary, or Margaret, or Maria, it's terribly easy to get confused quickly. I usually need a chart in front of me in order to get people's familial relations straight. That's really a bit of a stretch for PG to imply Pole and Mary had romantic feelings for each other though, considering he was barely in England or at court before she was queen they wouldn't have the time to become attracted to each other, much less actually have been in a position to met. So I think that's a real streech on her part. I could see Mary developing feelings for Edward Courtenay over Pole because Courtenay: A) wasn't a priest but a Catholic and his mom was close to KoA, B) was around court enough to have seen and meet Mary, C) he had royal blood. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
tudorcrazy	13. RE: yay Reginald Pole is gonna be in the tudorsSO SORRY, YOURE RIGHT Dec 30 2008, 9:11 PM EST thank you for being so kind. I really goofed. I am reading sharon kay penman now, and I am very confused between all these different children, illigetimete royalty, beheadings etc. I can see how historians get too close to their subjects. Not that I;m any kind of historian. I have gotten too involved with all of this. Pleease forgive me, everyone. I guess I need a break. Post reply Do you find this valuable?