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MsSquirrly	What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Aug 22 2008, 1:16 PM EDT For me it was the rape scene with George Boleyn & Jane Parker. What bugged me the most is that it is a horrendous act which has no basis in history and it blackens George's name. According to most historians there is not one "scintilla" of evidence to support his homosexuality plus now they make him a rapist. From what I have read, he was a very well liked member of court & not mean spirited. He admits to his own "sins" of vanity & pride but not a violent man. Post reply 14 out of 15 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: adultery anne boleyn charles george boleyn henryVIII jane boleyn mary rose rape scene
lettice	1. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Aug 22 2008, 1:32 PM EDT In season 1 the sister" Margaret", particularly when she murdered the King of Portugal. What nonsense. In the second season, the poisonings pointing to the Boleyns. it appeared as if they were plotting to poison Mary and had already poisoned C of A in addition to the failed attempt on Fisher & More. Also, Charles Brandon accusing Anne of having multiple affairs. Talk about dramatic license! Post reply 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MsSquirrly	2. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Aug 22 2008, 1:59 PM EDT "In season 1 the sister" Margaret", particularly when she murdered the King of Portugal. What nonsense. In the second season, the poisonings pointing to the Boleyns. it appeared as if they were plotting to poison Mary and had already poisoned C of A in addition to the failed attempt on Fisher & More. Also, Charles Brandon accusing Anne of having multiple affairs. Talk about dramatic license!" yes the Mary/ Margaret thing comes a close second....making the poor woman a murdress and well as married to a different King. I believe historically Brandon did do his part to besmirch Anne's name tho. Oh also the whole Brereton storyline made him into a villain when he was a victim like the other men who were accused with Anne. Mind you, he had done some shady stuff but he was nowhere near an attempted assassin. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
funrod6	3. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Aug 22 2008, 2:13 PM EDT "For me it was the rape scene with George Boleyn & Jane Parker. What bugged me the most is that it is a horrendous act which has no basis in history and it blackens George's name. According to most historians there is not one "scintilla" of evidence to support his homosexuality plus now they make him a rapist. From what I have read, he was a very well liked member of court & not mean spirited. He admits to his own "sins" of vanity & pride but not a violent man." Oh MsSquirrly I so hated that scene too. UGH. That was one of them The episode when COA dies....I cried like a baby When Mary is brought back to court, not as the KINGS daughter but to serve the Queen Anne When Mary is given the few things her mother had left - cried like a baby When Anne is looking down when her brother is being killed The scene where Anne is waiting her execution and the delays keep happening my heart ached yes even though she is not my favorite it truly bothered me. Can you imagine preparing being ready and the constant delays. And all of the scenes with Thomas More preparing his family for his death Post reply 1 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Brunet	4. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Aug 22 2008, 2:31 PM EDT Add me to the list of those who were peeved by the entire Mary/Margaret Queen of Portugal debacle. Margaret's life was so fascinating and dramatic, and didn't need to be toyed with. I also agree that the misrepesentation of George Boleyn as a rapist was a low point for Hirst. I know I'd be setting myself for disappointment by hoping to see less of this in S3. Ah well, it's good TV anyway;) Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
lettice	5. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Aug 22 2008, 3:16 PM EDT "yes the Mary/ Margaret thing comes a close second....making the poor woman a murdress and well as married to a different King. I believe historically Brandon did do his part to besmirch Anne's name tho. Oh also the whole Brereton storyline made him into a villain when he was a victim like the other men who were accused with Anne. Mind you, he had done some shady stuff but he was nowhere near an attempted assassin." Right! I forgot about Brereton and his assassination attempts. Particularly the one during Anne's coronation procession; it reminded me of the JFK assassination. Brandon may have sided a bit with his wife Mary Tudor, who supported C of A and disliked Anne. I don't believe he was as venemous towards Anne as the series presented. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
funrod6	6. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Aug 22 2008, 4:16 PM EDT "Right! I forgot about Brereton and his assassination attempts. Particularly the one during Anne's coronation procession; it reminded me of the JFK assassination. Brandon may have sided a bit with his wife Mary Tudor, who supported C of A and disliked Anne. I don't believe he was as venemous towards Anne as the series presented. " I have a question. Historically was Brereton excuted for alleged affairs with Anne ? Or was this for showtime tv ? Also if so, why was he in the Queens chambers ? I was really confused on this issue during the series. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MsSquirrly	7. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Aug 22 2008, 5:29 PM EDT "I have a question. Historically was Brereton excuted for alleged affairs with Anne ? Or was this for showtime tv ? Also if so, why was he in the Queens chambers ? I was really confused on this issue during the series. " Yes there were 5 men charged with adultery with the queen (Francis Weston was not even portrayed in the series but we have a short profile on him on the wiki). Brereton was a gentleman of the King's privy chamber so of course there were times when ladies and gentlemen were all together in mixed company. For a shory history of Brereton you can read his profile : http://tudorswiki.sho.com/page/William+Brereton - this is the true story and not the series story on Brereton which is totally bogus. I think thats why these things bothered me.....because these are actual people who lived and dramatizing it later and making up storylines of them being rapists, murderers and assassins just seems wrong somehow. Especially as there was enough of that going on in history anyway. People will watch this and believe that they really were these black hearted people. Post reply 7 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
funrod6	8. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Aug 22 2008, 6:36 PM EDT "Yes there were 5 men charged with adultery with the queen (Francis Weston was not even portrayed in the series but we have a short profile on him on the wiki). Brereton was a gentleman of the King's privy chamber so of course there were times when ladies and gentlemen were all together in mixed company. For a shory history of Brereton you can read his profile : http://tudorswiki.sho.com/page/William+Brereton - this is the true story and not the series story on Brereton which is totally bogus. I think thats why these things bothered me.....because these are actual people who lived and dramatizing it later and making up storylines of them being rapists, murderers and assassins just seems wrong somehow. Especially as there was enough of that going on in history anyway. People will watch this and believe that they really were these black hearted people. " WOW what a big difference to bearing any truth in the series and the history. And I agree it really makes people misunderstand history especially if they are only getting it off the series. Ok Question for the scene in the series when they came to arrest him why was he naked ? Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
FMFJRMGRL	9. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Aug 22 2008, 6:44 PM EDT I still cant figure out why they did the Margaret/Mary name mix up...and then she died without having any children??? How are they going to explain "Queen Jane".... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MsSquirrly	10. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Aug 22 2008, 6:53 PM EDT "Ok Question for the scene in the series when they came to arrest him why was he naked ?" Maybe the salacious need to see James Gilbert's tush? LOL No, I think it was because he was being portrayed as a religious zealot and was probably preparing himself to self-flagellate - sorta like that monk in the Da Vinci Code who was an assassin. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SemperEadem	11. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Aug 22 2008, 6:58 PM EDT I think what ticked me off the most was that they had Wolsey commit suicide. Here I was, innocently expecting him to clutch his heart and fall over in the road, and instead he kills himself. Sighs But, if they did have to make him kill himself, at least they did a good job of it with great music behind it! Still annoyed at the Mary/Margaret thing, too. Mainly because I'm afraid of losing Jane Grey and Mary, Queen of Scots, but if they're not going to carry on after Henry, I guess there is not much of a point. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Shadow_in_the_Sun	12. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Aug 22 2008, 7:23 PM EDT I am finding myself increasingly irritated with how the series is portraying William Brereton. I agree with MsSquirrly totally. They may just be "characters" in the series, but they are based on real people, and I find portraying them in such ways insults their memory. But I dunno, maybe I'm being too serious about it! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
heverhoney	13. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Aug 22 2008, 9:49 PM EDT This is not something I necessarily hated, but I was simply confused by: What was with the whole Thomas Cranmer/illegal wife thing? Did Cranmer actually marry as a member of the clergy (I'm not sure if this was dramatic license or not?) Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MsSquirrly	14. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Aug 22 2008, 10:20 PM EDT "This is not something I necessarily hated, but I was simply confused by: What was with the whole Thomas Cranmer/illegal wife thing? Did Cranmer actually marry as a member of the clergy (I'm not sure if this was dramatic license or not?) " Yes he did marry - I posted this quote on a thread on Thomas Cranmer's Page : In his book "Thomas Cranmer: A Life" Historian Diarmaid MacCulloch raises, only to dismiss, the rumour that she was kept in a box. however he does say that Margaret, the second Mrs. Cranmer, must have lived in England so secretly that even her husband's most bitter opponents never learned of her existence. Perhaps the box was used as symbolic of that fact? There were some instances where the writer took actual events like Henry falling in the mud puddle head first and the boiling of the cook which seemed like license but were actually true and the others where he took a rumour and ran with it. Post reply 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
FMFJRMGRL	15. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Aug 23 2008, 9:40 AM EDT I always thought that was a bit strange about Cranmer. I couldnt understand that too much. I knew he couldnt marry but I thought it strange when she arrived in a box! I thought it strange that Wolsey had a mistress too. I guess the catholics back then couldnt follow their religion either. Todays priest certainly can't as we are finding out now with all the allegations flying around. Thanks Squirrly! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
offwithherhead	16. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Aug 23 2008, 10:07 AM EDT My vote goes to the Mary/Margaret - killing the King of Portugal - no children with Brandon thing. I have to wonder what the writers were thinking. I think the real Mary story would have been far more interesting, and as many of you have noted, it would have paved the way for Jane Grey. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
heverhoney	17. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Aug 23 2008, 9:27 PM EDT "Yes he did marry - I posted this quote on a thread on Thomas Cranmer's Page : In his book "Thomas Cranmer: A Life" Historian Diarmaid MacCulloch raises, only to dismiss, the rumour that she was kept in a box. however he does say that Margaret, the second Mrs. Cranmer, must have lived in England so secretly that even her husband's most bitter opponents never learned of her existence. Perhaps the box was used as symbolic of that fact? There were some instances where the writer took actual events like Henry falling in the mud puddle head first and the boiling of the cook which seemed like license but were actually true and the others where he took a rumour and ran with it." Thank you for clearing that up, Ms. Squirrly. I also have found it interesting that a lot of the dialogue, which would seem like dramatic license, are also things that Henry himself reportedly said. For example, the scene where he tells Anne that she "must learn to endure, as your betters did before you!" Also, when he yelled at her after the last miscarriage and tolh her that she would have no more sons by him! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
lettice	18. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Aug 24 2008, 11:04 AM EDT "I still cant figure out why they did the Margaret/Mary name mix up...and then she died without having any children??? How are they going to explain "Queen Jane"...." Good Question! If the series gets that far, they'll find a way! LOL Post reply Do you find this valuable?
coronation	19. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Aug 24 2008, 6:34 PM EDT I can actually hear Henry saying those things to Anne. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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