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stephanieford |
60. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most
Mar 6 2009, 1:19 PM EST
"I always thought that was a bit strange about Cranmer. I couldnt understand that too much. I knew he couldnt marry but I thought it strange when she arrived in a box!Actually, the way I understand it... Catholic preists and clurgymen were not always ruled to be celebate. If you notice, not only did Wolsey and Cranmer have wives and mistresses and even rumored to have children, but the Pope has a grandson. If you remember the Pope mentioning that he would make a good cardinal some day. I thought it ineresting that they took the license to turn the Pope himself into a marderdom maker. Though they mixed up the Pope just as they did Mary/Margaret they took him and made him crooked as ever. Not that I am really complaining, I love the show and spite it's inaccuracies it remains my favorite show. But I thought I would mention how he wants the Brereton to kill Anne because it is what God wants and then looks at the King of France, it just amazed me. Though I agree that the Catholic Church is and has always been crooked. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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stephanieford |
61. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most
Mar 6 2009, 1:28 PM EST
I would also like to add that Wolsey's death being a suicide was a bit much. Though it makes sense, very untrue. Every decision they make to change history to make better viewing works. There are just some things that don't make sense at all, like the Mary/Maragret mix up. I read they did that to not get confused with Mary he sister and Mary the daughter, but have you noticed how many Thomas' there are? They can keep the men straight, why couldn't they keep the women straight? Then to marry her to the king of portugal? That was retarded and very untrue. They haven't even brought in the children either sister had which makes me wonder about further seasons. How they will introduce Mary Queen of Scots and such. I am sure they will either ignore the bloodline (which I think would be stupid) or just introduce the bloodline like it was always there for us to see. To people who know history, this will be forgiven... but for those who don't know the history will be short handed and confused.
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lorrie565 |
62. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most?
Mar 6 2009, 2:47 PM EST
"I still cant figure out why they did the Margaret/Mary name mix up...and then she died without having any children??? How are they going to explain "Queen Jane"...."I have thought about this and in the scene where Henry and Brandon are walking outside. His ward Catherine comes up. Brandon ask what what he thinks of her.Henry replys she is beautiful and Brandon then tells Henry that he is going to marry her. And then says something to the effect that" besides he needs someone to take care of his young son". Obviously not Catherines because she is 14 and they had not married.yet. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
karenofbethany |
63. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most?
Mar 6 2009, 5:10 PM EST
From reading all of these posts I have to conclude that the producers of Showtime probably did not count on having an audience who would care so much about historical accuracy. And they were probably even surprised at how many people got hooked on the show. I wonder how many people have written them to complain about the inaccuracies, and if so, why did they not get more appropriate in Season II, but perhaps they just don't care.
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theothertudorgirl |
65. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most?
Mar 11 2009, 7:23 AM EDT
"I have thought about this and in the scene where Henry and Brandon are walking outside. His ward Catherine comes up. Brandon ask what what he thinks of her.Henry replys she is beautiful and Brandon then tells Henry that he is going to marry her. And then says something to the effect that" besides he needs someone to take care of his young son". Obviously not Catherines because she is 14 and they had not married.yet."Ah so are we going to get Jane descended from a boy instead of Francis Brandon, who was her mother. That is if the Hirst goes past Henry & his wives. I am still a little upset that Mary Queen Of Scots won't pop up anywhere or unless Henry has another sister we don't know about! It would bug me if they created another sister, different name and everything! It would have been so much easier if they just started with two sisters named Mary and Margaret!' 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Ebusitanus |
66. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most?
Mar 11 2009, 9:10 AM EDT
If the show moves on and they need to create a "Mary Queen of Scots" do not worry that they will.[quote] Though I agree that the Catholic Church is and has always been crooked [/quote] I found this observation quite out of place and insulting IMHO. 0 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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stephanieford |
67. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most?
Mar 11 2009, 1:06 PM EDT
"If the show moves on and they need to create a "Mary Queen of Scots" do not worry that they will.It had a place and was very well supported by the rest of the text. ie: the pope wanting to assassinate Anne Boleyn and the untrue suicide of a cardinal. I am sorry if I offended you or anyone else of the faith. I respect the opinions of others and I hope to expect the same in return for mine... even if you dissagree, to point it out is insulting in itself and creates a bad atmosphere in the forum. I have my beliefs, others have theirs. Lets leave it at that shall we? :) 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
LadyLizzy |
68. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most
Mar 11 2009, 5:51 PM EDT
IMHO the trouble is the way you put it, stephanieford. If you had said you were referring to the show, everybody would have agreed. But written like this, it could also be interpreted as a statement about the real existing Catholic Church, and admittedly, that's pretty thin ice. No offence meant, I just observed it.
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stephanieford |
69. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most
Mar 11 2009, 10:13 PM EDT
"IMHO the trouble is the way you put it, stephanieford. If you had said you were referring to the show, everybody would have agreed. But written like this, it could also be interpreted as a statement about the real existing Catholic Church, and admittedly, that's pretty thin ice. No offence meant, I just observed it."I understand what you are saying, but why point out one sentence and turn into a personal insult? I am not attacking anyone or anything with my thoughts. I simply was answering a question in a forum. I don't take offence by your statement though if anyone would like to talk about my personal opinions can you please message me directly and keep it out of the forum? Keep the topic about the Tudors. :) 4 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
AnneBoleynHero |
70. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most?
Mar 11 2009, 11:01 PM EDT
Jane Boleyn's rape by George Boleyn, that was all a lie and nonsense
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Ebusitanus |
71. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most
Mar 12 2009, 4:30 AM EDT
Its not "personal" in that you have not spoken to anyone directly when uttering your personal views. I understand now that you wanted to comment upon the old church of that day but when you say "Was and IS" you are clearly talking about the past and the present. The reference to the present is what I toke exception to. And if commenting on that is out of place so are your broad generalizations. Only thing I can say is that you need to watch how you say your thing. 1 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
Anne'sCurls |
72. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most
Mar 12 2009, 10:41 AM EDT
Can we please not start this Catholic vs. nonCatholic debate again
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FMFJRMGRL |
73. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most
Mar 12 2009, 12:13 PM EDT
"Can we please not start this Catholic vs. nonCatholic debate again"I dont think its a debate. People get irate when religion is mentioned. My original comment which StephFord used was true and backed up by the media and police reports and many hurt children/adults. Cathloic priests take a vow (their choice)if they break it God will deal with them. You shouldnt make a serious promise like that ~guys know about their urges early on way before the age of priestdom. I feel sorry for those who hate when people mention the name of GOD or Jesus... 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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stephanieford |
74. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most
Mar 12 2009, 12:29 PM EDT
"I dont think its a debate. People get irate when religion is mentioned.Thank you FRF JRMGRL. I was making a comment about the Tudors since this is what the forum is obviously about but one word ("is") out of one sentence turned a few to speak out. Again, it is just my opinion. I can understand Ebusitanus, though I am entitled to disagree, I will say it again... if anyone wants to comment on my views, message me directly and keep it out of the forum. I don't mind opinions and disagreements. It does not offend me if you choose to speak your mind against me, just make sure you don't harrass me for my beliefs or lack of. :) As far as the rest of what I have to say in agreement to FRF JRMGRL I will messege her directly since it doesn't have to do with the Tudors. :) Remember why we are all here and lets keep it about that. Thank you! :) 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
Boudica |
75. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most?
Mar 12 2009, 2:29 PM EDT
"Ah so are we going to get Jane descended from a boy instead of Francis Brandon, who was her mother. That is if the Hirst goes past Henry & his wives. I am still a little upset that Mary Queen Of Scots won't pop up anywhere or unless Henry has another sister we don't know about! It would bug me if they created another sister, different name and everything! It would have been so much easier if they just started with two sisters named Mary and Margaret!'Well, Charles Brandon at the end of season 2 mentioned his wife Catherine was pregnant... historically she bore him two sons who died young of sweating sickness after their father passed, leaving them the second and third Duke of Suffolk. But who knows how Hirst is going to reinvent the Brandon genelogy. Historically though, Jane Grey was born during the time that season 3 is taking place, so if Hirst wanted to bringing Lady Jane Grey I'm thinking he could just make her Charles Brandon's daughter through his wife Catherine, but then she wouldn't have a right to the succession because she wouldn't be of royal blood via Mary / Margaret Tudor. It would have been so much easier if Hirst just had Charles and Margaret have a daughter named Frances and just keep as close to the original history as possible! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Anne'sCurls |
76. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most
Mar 12 2009, 2:35 PM EDT
"I dont think its a debate. People get irate when religion is mentioned.I dont mean to make it sound like I am attacking your or Stephanie. Just from experience it is very easy for difference about religion and history to turn into a huge debate on this board and feelings can get hurt. In relation to the pedophile priest, I believe we can all agree that was horrible and wrong. Its not so much that it happened, which is bad enough, but that they tried to cover it up and pretend it didnt happen. I've just noticed that some on this board are sensitive to the issue of their religion, and certain statements can come off as an attack. Its no one's fault and I am not blaming or criticizing anyone. 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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stephanieford |
77. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most?
Mar 12 2009, 4:46 PM EDT
"For me it was the rape scene with George Boleyn & Jane Parker. What bugged me the most is that it is a horrendous act which has no basis in history and it blackens George's name. According to most historians there is not one "scintilla" of evidence to support his homosexuality plus now they make him a rapist. From what I have read, he was a very well liked member of court & not mean spirited. He admits to his own "sins" of vanity & pride but not a violent man."I also agree with MsSquirrly and others on this one. George wasn't ever the nasty and coniving man they make him out to be, not according to history anyway. Anne's uncle and father were the master manipulators. I choose to believe that though Anne herself might have been thrown into Henry's path for devious or selfish purposes, she fell in love with Henry and tried all she could to keep him and her head. I liked the shows portrayal of her character over The Other Boleyn Girl's portrayal but that is another subject. lol George's homosexuality was a leap but then again so was Sir William in season 1 with Thomas Talis. Seems the show has a pattern of making all the artistic/musical figures homosexuals. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
MsSquirrly |
79. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most?
Mar 12 2009, 7:53 PM EDT
well at least they didn't make Wyatt gay I guess. LOL Makes you wonder who will be the pre-requisite gay character in season 3?
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Boudica |
80. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most?
Mar 12 2009, 8:02 PM EDT
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"Makes you wonder who will be the pre-requisite gay character in season 3?"Or token gay character? :P Maybe there will be too much going on and too few episodes to develop a fictionalized non heterosexual character? Anybody want to place bets? :) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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MsSquirrly |
81. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most?
Mar 12 2009, 8:36 PM EDT
"Or token gay character? :P Maybe there will be too much going on and too few episodes to develop a fictionalized non heterosexual character? Anybody want to place bets? :)"ohh ohh....good idea for a poll eh??? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
