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angelosdaughter
angelosdaughter
40. RE: Question about Thomas More
Apr 16 2009, 3:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 16 2009, 3:14 AM EDT
"Yes, she bribed the yeoman/cleaner/gate-man or whatever he was to give it to her. The skull was unearthed at some point and is now held in some family vault in Staffordshire/Warwickshire or somewhere - you can google to find out or it's on wiki I think. Sorry, I'm not very specific! It would fascinating to see it, sadly it's not on public display to my knowledge. Mind you, it is kind of sad that it isn't still near her body, as she wished. But then, look at all the old bones archaeologists have dug up and put in museums over the years. I suppose once you're dead your essence is not in your bones but, as in Thomas More's case it lives on in the legacy he left, in what he'd done in his life.Now I'm getting all wistful!"
Here is a link that tells the story of Thomas More's skull. http://www.apostles.com/thomasmorehead.html
It contains a photo (not very good quality) of the skull in its niche behind a grille. It is described as crumbling. More's skull is buried in the Roper Family vault in St. Dunstan's Church, Canterbury.
According to John Guy in "A Daughter's Love", Margaret was buried with her father's skull in the More Family vault where 'her father did mind to be buried' in the Chelsea Parish Church.
When William Roper died sometime later (he never remarried, he requested to be buried by Margaret's side.However, the Chelsea property with its parish church had come into the possession of the Paulet family, who denied Roper's request. Roper was buried in the Roper Family vault in St. Dunstan's Church in Canterbury. His and Margaret's son, Thomas, had Margaret's bones disinterred, along with the skull of More, and transferred them to William's vault at Canterbury. More's head was at this time set as a relic in the niche behind a grille in the wall of the vault.
In 1978, the tombs were opened in the interest of verifying the burials. the photos in the article were probably taken at that time. Do you find this valuable?    
angelosdaughter
angelosdaughter
41. RE: Question about Thomos More
Apr 16 2009, 3:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 16 2009, 3:23 AM EDT
"I think H VIII desperately wanted More's approval since he was surrounded by ambitious 'yes' men. More was a lay person but he carried the moral authority that John Fisher embodied.
His opinion counted. Since he bowed out of public office he could have been let alone at least for awhile if H VIII had let him.
To a degree we see the paralell w/H II & Becket in the sense that both kings expected to retain the highest allegiance of men they respected and loved. "
More was executed on St. Thomas' Eve, the day before the feast day of St. Thomas Becket. In his last letter to his daughter, Meg the day before his execution, More, also aware of the parallels, wrote that he would be sorry if the execution should be 'any longer than tomorrow' (St Thomas' Eve) as that day seemed 'meet and just' to him. Do you find this valuable?    
angelosdaughter
angelosdaughter
42. RE: Question about Thomas More
Apr 16 2009, 3:27 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 16 2009, 3:27 AM EDT
"Yeah but he is buried in a shallow grave with bishop fisher what if they take bishop fishers body by mistake that wouldnt be good!"
Aside from a very few, most of the bones buried in St. Peter ad Vincula are not identifiable as later burials were heaped upon earlier. In time the bones all became intermingled. Do you find this valuable?    
angelosdaughter
angelosdaughter
43. RE: Question about Thomas More
Apr 16 2009, 3:35 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 16 2009, 3:35 AM EDT
"By the way, how many of you have seen "A Man for All Seasons?" Academy award-winner for 1966 as I recall. Paul Scofield has always been the definitive More, and was one of my favorite actors. How would you compare Northam (who I just realized this weekend is in Amistad and has a remarkably similar religious/consicence scene) and Scofield's portrayals?"
For me, Paul Scofield in "A Man for All Seasons" is the definitive More. In real life, Scofield had the unassuming manner (He refused a knighthood, and turned down roles when they conflicted with the annual chore of painting the shutters of his house. He also preferred spending time with his family to any sort of society) of the real More, and brought such authority to the role. He also had the craggy features. The real More was about 55 at his execution. Northam for me was too young for the role, but then, so are most of the actors in 'The Tudors'. Do you find this valuable?    

charlucy
44. RE: Question about Thomos More
Jul 11 2009, 11:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 11 2009, 11:47 PM EDT
"I am starting read more about him since seeing the character in the series. My question did King Henry feel as much gulit as about More death as he did in the series.

Thanks :)"
I think he did legend has it that Henry suppose to have told Anne 1 year to 6 months before her death that she cause the death of a great man Do you find this valuable?    

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