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tudorcrazy |
40. RE: Haveing a crush on Sir Thomas More
Nov 5 2009, 10:53 PM EST
How interesting Bill. Do you know the genealogy to be factual. Not that I don't believe it, but you said, you don't live in England. This is a man who was ahead of his time, as far as women's education. Your family is still Catholic too, Interesting, and cool. He was a genius. He, like Katherine Of A could only find true piece in death, as the world was too imperfect for them. A great Martyr. He really abandoned Henry by his death. I think that was a turning point in Henry's mental state, I don't know if he could have beheaded Anne, before that. I think he was deeply bereaved, but there was no turning back.
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alinagordelli |
41. RE: Haveing a crush on Sir Thomas More
Nov 6 2009, 10:34 AM EST
We must not forget that Sir Thomas was involved in burning his opponents himself. Brilliant Jeremy Northam tried to (gently) show this side of his character as well. It was a complex character as truly great people have. In one of his interview jeremy asked a question Why would someone so purely enlightened comply to become a first minister with increasingly unstable king? Was it his desire to make things differently (we hope!) or was it his desire of a power? In any case Jeremy Northam's portrayal of Sir Thomas brought him back to life and increased tremendously our ineterst in this great man and his deeds.
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tudorcrazy |
42. RE: Having a crush on Sir Thomas More
Nov 6 2009, 2:03 PM EST
"We must not forget that Sir Thomas was involved in burning his opponents himself. Brilliant Jeremy Northam tried to (gently) show this side of his character as well. It was a complex character as truly great people have. In one of his interview jeremy asked a question Why would someone so purely enlightened comply to become a first minister with increasingly unstable king? Was it his desire to make things differently (we hope!) or was it his desire of a power? In any case Jeremy Northam's portrayal of Sir Thomas brought him back to life and increased tremendously our ineterst in this great man and his deeds."They were both deeply divided men. Burning or killing their opponents, was an affirmation of their beliefs. There was right and wrong in those days, but no tolerance for any gray areas. Henry himself had gray areas, so he was always wrestling with his own omnipotence as king. Was he G-ds's chosen King? Thomas asks why he couldn't serve his G-d better? He was a lawyer, not a clergyman. He was not called to celibacy, but to be a loving father. But didn't Moses receive the law from G-d. He was the first lawyer/politician. Yes, all these martyrs killed people. KOA Mother killed hundreds of thousands. Religious dogma is a slippery slope. Jesus did the same thing, and look what happened to him. Do you find this valuable? |
angelosdaughter |
43. RE: Having a crush on Sir Thomas More
Nov 6 2009, 7:01 PM EST
"They were both deeply divided men. Burning or killing their opponents, was an affirmation of their beliefs. There was right and wrong in those days, but no tolerance for any gray areas. Henry himself had gray areas, so he was always wrestling with his own omnipotence as king. Was he G-ds's chosen King? Thomas asks why he couldn't serve his G-d better? He was a lawyer, not a clergyman. He was not called to celibacy, but to be a loving father. But didn't Moses receive the law from G-d. He was the first lawyer/politician....and it must be remebered that such was the thinking of the times. Both of the towering Prostesant leaders, John Knox and Martin Luther advocated burning for heretics. It should also be remembered that Sir Thomas More was a humanist, not a humanitarian. The terms are not equal. For Sir Thomas a huge conflict was between his human desire for a wife and a family in conflict with his conviction that he should have been strong enough to overcome those desires and give his life to God as a priest. It was for him a conflict right up to the end. He entered court service as a good way to support his large family. When that service went against his conscience, he left it. Even at the end, he attempted to take thought for his family when he knew that his convictions would cost his life. He did with the help of friends attempt to preserve his property for his wife and children. Martyrs usually took no thought for those they left behind. St. Perpetua gave up her new-born child so that she could accept martyrdom. But, for More the conflict was finally solved. He did give his life to God finally, as a martyr of conscience. Do you find this valuable? |
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tudorcrazy |
44. RE: Having a crush on Sir Thomas More
Nov 6 2009, 10:30 PM EST
what a waste
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alinagordelli |
45. RE: Having a crush on Sir Thomas More
Nov 9 2009, 1:57 PM EST
Very interesting entries tudorcrazy and angeloadaughter. His complex character do not diminish his martyrdom. Sir Thomas was a great man and he earned his Saint status by overcoming his shortcomings. I dare say that Jeremy Northam succeeded in expressing this complex soul...
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