Discussion: The Juxaposition of Anne and Jane

"yes but i viewed that 1933 movie as a bit of send up really, and in quite bad taste, catherine of aragon was not even in the movie"

"The director or someone associated with the film said that "Katherine of Aragon was too good of a woman for this film." and that's why she was not in the film."

"yes but i viewed that 1933 movie as a bit of send up really, and in quite bad taste, catherine of aragon was not even in the movie, and Anne boleyn was hardly in the film for more that ten minutes, however merle oberon was electirc as anne, for that breif time, she was nominated for an award
I cant say that the rest of the movie was anything great

anne of cleves was portrayed so OTT, funny but insensitive, alas it was 1933, predjudice and racism was rampent in tv movies and the world did not know the word P.C

but yes Strickland beleives jane was to be celebrating on the day of annes execution as anne did when KOA was sent to exile
Strickland inspired many authors such as weir and fraser, but then again her information according to starkey, was not completely accurate"

"I was shouting, I dont think except emphasizing the word QUEEN. And Anne was just as much a player of being a political pawn. And you know what else really makes me have no favor for her at all is that her own sister slept with him. And if she was at all religious she would know that in the eyes of god how sinful her actions and Henrys were.
But welcome to the wiki it seems we have alot of "new: Anne supporters"

"My opinion is that Anne was a strong, independent woman who was fiesty and intelligent. A woman like this would not get pushed around by her family. Thats why so many people admire her! So i do not believe that Anne was pushed into marrying Henry. I believe she did it out of choice (and im not condemning her for it).

Jane, on the other hand, was an obedient daughter who wasn't educated and never did anything out of turn. She's the sort of girl who seems easy to manipulate, especially by her own family. It seems to me that she was probably acting out of duty to her family, who we all know were very cunning, ruthless and ambitious.

This is one reason why SOME Anne B fans irritate me. I don't believe that this powerful, independent and brave woman like they say Anne was, could be pushed around into doing something that she didnt want to do. To me, its either one or the other. An independent woman or a victim. You can't have it both ways. This is just honest opinion. "

"Yes Jane married Henry 11 days after Annes execution, you could say that was in bad taste but I am sure Henry had the date set and Jane complied, . I think its disgusting the way Henry and Anne celebrated Katherines death,to me that was very bad taste. How must Mary have felt when she heard her father and Anne had behaved like that? I thi k its admirable the way Jane brought Mary back to court and that it wass very brave of her to have Elizabeth at Edwards christening, I am sure she must have gone out of her way for Henry to allow it. Knowing the way he felt about Anne, none could even say her name to him . "

"Let me give you my personal opinion and its just that an opinion. First lets address KOA. I feel like Im beating a dead horse with this issue. But she was married to Henry for over 20 years. And when he married her he did not have to. He wanted to. For the much of their marriage they were happy. And he doted on his daughter. Once KOA was no longer to give him his male heir she was of no use to him. He went looking for someone to give him that. Anne caught his eye. For many reasons. He was strongly attracted to Anne that his family no longer mattered. Anne withheld sex. Using that as the biggest play of this chess game ever. Driving Henry crazy with lust. And she was HORRIBLE to KOA and Mary. I believe she used the sex card to help Henry see things in a new light. A new reformation. And gave him the words needed to become KIng of his own Church and ruler. I can say I feel bad for Anne that she died for false charges. But I hardly find her a heroine because of it. I think its tragic. But I also find much disgust in the way she was with KOA and Mary. Especially Mary. Also who woild want to lay with a man who slept with their own sister. And I find that Father Boleyn would prostitute his daughters to advance himself.
And then when she delighted in KOA death, again made me sick.

Now for Jane. First Jane was a little different. Some things similar. Jane was very much a pawn for her family. However she did not have the intelect that Anne did. Anne was equally powerful in wanting position. Jane may never recognized Anne as queen but a mistress. And since KOA was now dead she was free to marry Henry - based once again on Henrys rules. She brought Mary back to the KINGS good graces. Something Anne was too selfish to do. You say she made an attempt. No she did not. She used a baragaining tool and said call me your Queen and you can be brought back to daddy. Disgusting behavior. Insecure. Jealous. Not my type of heroine. The only thing I find remotely admirable"

"My opinion is that Anne was a strong, independent woman who was fiesty and intelligent. A woman like this would not get pushed around by her family. Thats why so many people admire her! So i do not believe that Anne was pushed into marrying Henry. I believe she did it out of choice (and im not condemning her for it).

Jane, on the other hand, was an obedient daughter who wasn't educated and never did anything out of turn. She's the sort of girl who seems easy to manipulate, especially by her own family. It seems to me that she was probably acting out of duty to her family, who we all know were very cunning, ruthless and ambitious.

This is one reason why SOME Anne B fans irritate me. I don't believe that this powerful, independent and brave woman like they say Anne was, could be pushed around into doing something that she didnt want to do. To me, its either one or the other. An independent woman or a victim. You can't have it both ways. This is just honest opinion. "