Discussion: The Juxaposition of Anne and Jane

"As for the changing of the 'seasons" for Henry, I wished showtime would have done something like that with the greatest respect of KOA. And my hope is someday that some producer will make a film about KOA starting as the Infanata.....and onward. I think it would be a fantastic story to tell."

"I found it very unsettling and sad to see that too. I think was was good TV but that does not mean I liked it or enjoyed it.

In fact, I found it incredibly hard to watch any the last few episodes of season 2 because I knew what was coming and I didn't want to see it becuase it is so heartbreaking. But at the same time I did because I was so curious to see how, after everything that had happened between Anne and Henry and all the good times and the bad times they had shared forver united, Henry could possibly discard her. Of course I knew my history before I ever watched the saw but after seeing season 1 and falling completely it love with it especially Anne Boleyn's character, I was so confused as to how Henry could go from absolute worship and love and adoration of Anne to having her executed.

It really annoys me as well that Jane is always portryed as innocent. She quite evidently was not becuase she knew what was happening to Anne and even if she never liked her it is still completely inhumane of her to not feel any guilt at all.

I also think that Jane must have been naive and silly not to be worried about what what her life would be like with Henry as her husband. She must have seen how he treated his last two wives and be a little apprehensive about how he would treat her to. How can she have thought that she someone like her, with a character so meek and boring, would have a happy life with him when someone like Anne Boleyn could had nothing but misery in the later years of their relationship? Anne was so seductive, exciting, beautiful, passionate and intelligent and Henry went through much more to make her his wife than he did with Jane and it still ended in betrayel so how Jane could think she would be able to hold him I don't know.

The only possible thing that I can draw comfort from is that Anne's daughter became one of the greatest rulers in English history so really Anne won in the end. "

"I found it very unsettling and sad to see that too. I think was was good TV but that does not mean I liked it or enjoyed it.

In fact, I found it incredibly hard to watch any the last few episodes of season 2 because I knew what was coming and I didn't want to see it becuase it is so heartbreaking. But at the same time I did because I was so curious to see how, after everything that had happened between Anne and Henry and all the good times and the bad times they had shared forver united, Henry could possibly discard her. Of course I knew my history before I ever watched the saw but after seeing season 1 and falling completely it love with it especially Anne Boleyn's character, I was so confused as to how Henry could go from absolute worship and love and adoration of Anne to having her executed.

It really annoys me as well that Jane is always portryed as innocent. She quite evidently was not becuase she knew what was happening to Anne and even if she never liked her it is still completely inhumane of her to not feel any guilt at all.

I also think that Jane must have been naive and silly not to be worried about what what her life would be like with Henry as her husband. She must have seen how he treated his last two wives and be a little apprehensive about how he would treat her to. How can she have thought that she someone like her, with a character so meek and boring, would have a happy life with him when someone like Anne Boleyn could had nothing but misery in the later years of their relationship? Anne was so seductive, exciting, beautiful, passionate and intelligent and Henry went through much more to make her his wife than he did with Jane and it still ended in betrayel so how Jane could think she would be able to hold him I don't know.

The only possible thing that I can draw comfort from is that Anne's daughter became one of the greatest rulers in English history so really Anne won in the end. "

"I feel like a broken record when I say this. And please I say this with respect really I do. But I will listen and try and understand, Again please understand these are my own personal opinions. First I do not say the saint and sinner thing. For Anne and Jane. But I would like your personal thoughts on how you can judge Jane so harshly when Annes conduct in regards to the Queen, KOA. and the King and Queens daughter Mary ? Also I will disagree that there is a difference and a big one from love and lust. And Im not sure which the KING felt of Anne. She held him at bay for 7 years. Yet had she not she would have been just another mistress possibly. And as for your qoute "It really annoys me as well that Jane is always portryed as innocent. She quite evidently was not becuase she knew what was happening to Anne and even if she never liked her it is still completely inhumane of her to not feel any guilt at all." Well lets say what about ANNE with KOA ? She knew the cards she was dealing, and entered a dangerous game since KOA was very loved, even if Henry had grew tired of her. SHE was married to him over 24 years. She was pregnant at least 6 times. She was The Regent who fought the Scots. She gave to the poor always making sure they had what they needed. And Anne came to court, and acted as Queen before she was. She was with child BEFORE being secretly married. She did have a girl, which disappointed the King and Yes she Elizabeth was one of the greatest rulers of England. As for Jane...He is buried with her. And we will never know nor can we judge that he would have taken another wife. After all she did give him a boy. So where is the justice for KOA when speaking so Ill of JANE...when in MY personal Opinion what AB did was FAR worse to KOA and Mary. Jane was not AB we know that. But I find it hypocritical to judge her when AB displaced KOA."

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When you say: " Yet has she not she would have just been another mistress." I can agrue with you on that point aswell. It is believed that Henry would not have wanted to make Anne his mistress at least not when they were properly into their courtship. He wanted nothing more than to make his love his Queen and he would settle for nothing less. I find that it is an insult to Henry himself by saying that just because some young girl refused him he had to go to all those lengths to be able to bed her, becuase he was a great ruler and he would never have put his country through everything that he did if he was not at least in love.

Lastly I believe that you stated that Henry is buried next to Jane. Well just think on this - what choice did he have? All of his other wives had been disgraced by him in some way or another whether rightly or wrongly and his present wife out lived him.

These are just my opinions aswell and nothing can ever be proved but I know for sure we will continue to debate over it.
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When you say: " Yet has she not she would have just been another mistress." I can agrue with you on that point aswell. It is believed that Henry would not have wanted to make Anne his mistress at least not when they were properly into their courtship. He wanted nothing more than to make his love his Queen and he would settle for nothing less. I find that it is an insult to Henry himself by saying that just because some young girl refused him he had to go to all those lengths to be able to bed her, becuase he was a great ruler and he would never have put his country through everything that he did if he was not at least in love.

Lastly I believe that you stated that Henry is buried next to Jane. Well just think on this - what choice did he have? All of his other wives had been disgraced by him in some way or another whether rightly or wrongly and his present wife out lived him.

These are just my opinions aswell and nothing can ever be proved but I know for sure we will continue to debate over it.
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"Secondly, you accused me of being hypocritcal when it comes to Anne and KOA. Well I never said that Anne was guiltless because I never actually mentionned KOA at all and if I had then I would have said that Anne was far from perfect. Anyway KOA was different. She had a choice and she was never murdered and never had to see her friends and relatives murdered because of something she was accused of. KOA could have retired to a nunnery early on in the whole affair and then Mary might not have even been made a basterd. She brought most of the suffering on herself.

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"Henry had no trouble ridding himself of a wife of over 20 years, another for whom he had waited years and taken great political risks--and not only wives, but friends and advisors who seemed to deny him what he wanted. I think ultimately that was the test--how much could fate allow someone to give Henry all that he expected? Sadly, I think bending to Henry's will was more important to him than any real inherent value or true loyalty a person had. "