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We need a change in English hisorical movies
May 31 2008, 4:49 PM EDT
there have been a lot of Elizabeth movies which a lot have been terrible. I HATED the ones with Cate blanchett. It's not because of the acting. The only recent one I liked is HBO's starring Helen Mirren. We could use a movie about Mary or Henry VIII if it is done fairly and accurately. That's why I like the tudors. It's not 100% accurate but it's not anywhere as bad as The other boleyn girl or other movies I mentioned. I would love to see a KOA movie but a lot of times if it's british produced they always make the spanish look evil and Katherine ugly and like 30yrs older than henry. They make Mary look worse than hitler and Stalin combined. Just look at Elizabeth and the sequel completely unfair view of france and spain. I just want a change I have seen enough Elizabeth features. How about a Richard the 3rd or the War of the Roses. Anything that is fair and accurate.
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Lady_anne2 |
1. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
May 31 2008, 8:56 PM EDT
"there have been a lot of Elizabeth movies which a lot have been terrible. I HATED the ones with Cate blanchett. It's not because of the acting. The only recent one I liked is HBO's starring Helen Mirren. We could use a movie about Mary or Henry VIII if it is done fairly and accurately. That's why I like the tudors. It's not 100% accurate but it's not anywhere as bad as The other boleyn girl or other movies I mentioned. I would love to see a KOA movie but a lot of times if it's british produced they always make the spanish look evil and Katherine ugly and like 30yrs older than henry. They make Mary look worse than hitler and Stalin combined. Just look at Elizabeth and the sequel completely unfair view of france and spain. I just want a change I have seen enough Elizabeth features. How about a Richard the 3rd or the War of the Roses. Anything that is fair and accurate."I loved "Elizabeth" but didn't care so much for the sequel. The HBO Series with Helen Mirren was excellent. I think the Tudor and Elizabethian periods are the times the majority of the people are interested in and that is why there are so many features about them. Have you ever noticed in most movies when someone is supposed to be from a different country, they almost always speak with an English accent no matter where they're from? I'm glad the "Elizabeth" movies and "The Tudors" didn't do that. Do you find this valuable? |
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Boudica |
2. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
May 31 2008, 9:25 PM EDT
Well said, I love the first Elizabeth film with Cate Blanchet, but the anti-Mary and anti-Catholic bias taints it for me, I was stunned by how much biast it was, brazenly compared to moves from generations past. I do love the musical scores though of oldies like Mary Queen of Scots with Vanessa Redgrave and Anne of the Thousand Days. I think TOBG, thought Hollywood a lesson, lush costumes and sets aren't enough to guarentee blockbuster success. The Tudors has both, but it also has great actors who are for the most part well suited for their roles, and most importantly of all it's script and plot line - yes it's innacurate (however I'm surprised at times how much they sometimes get right) but it's thought provoking and most definately addictive.
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tinitini |
3. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
May 31 2008, 9:43 PM EDT
"Well said, I love the first Elizabeth film with Cate Blanchet, but the anti-Mary and anti-Catholic bias taints it for me, I was stunned by how much biast it was, brazenly compared to moves from generations past. I do love the musical scores though of oldies like Mary Queen of Scots with Vanessa Redgrave and Anne of the Thousand Days. I think TOBG, thought Hollywood a lesson, lush costumes and sets aren't enough to guarentee blockbuster success. The Tudors has both, but it also has great actors who are for the most part well suited for their roles, and most importantly of all it's script and plot line - yes it's innacurate (however I'm surprised at times how much they sometimes get right) but it's thought provoking and most definately addictive."I think it would be great if someone came out with a movie about the Tudor era. Of course after watching The Tudors I will compare everybody in the movies to those in the series(and probably think they're not doing as good as they do) I would definetly be biased as far as that goes. Also, lets face it, if the producers and writers of The Tudors were to do every little thing exactly like the history books say King Henry might just now be meeting Anne Boleyn at the end of the second season. There is so many little things that one must read about if they want to know. These peoples stories are so intertwined. Do you find this valuable? |
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Evanescence1984 |
4. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
Jul 8 2008, 2:05 PM EDT
"there have been a lot of Elizabeth movies which a lot have been terrible. I HATED the ones with Cate blanchett. It's not because of the acting. The only recent one I liked is HBO's starring Helen Mirren. We could use a movie about Mary or Henry VIII if it is done fairly and accurately. That's why I like the tudors. It's not 100% accurate but it's not anywhere as bad as The other boleyn girl or other movies I mentioned. I would love to see a KOA movie but a lot of times if it's british produced they always make the spanish look evil and Katherine ugly and like 30yrs older than henry. They make Mary look worse than hitler and Stalin combined. Just look at Elizabeth and the sequel completely unfair view of france and spain. I just want a change I have seen enough Elizabeth features. How about a Richard the 3rd or the War of the Roses. Anything that is fair and accurate."I liked The Other Boleyn Girl movie probably because I had read the book before hand and I had liked the book. I don't know much about this time period and am just starting to learn about it so maybe they were bad but for me as a historical fiction I think it did the job. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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angelosdaughter |
5. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
Jul 8 2008, 10:36 PM EDT
"I loved "Elizabeth" but didn't care so much for the sequel. The HBO Series with Helen Mirren was excellent.Actually, I notice this in some period movies about Rome. Most of the Romans seem to have British accents. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Shadow_in_the_Sun |
6. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
Jul 9 2008, 2:03 PM EDT
"How about a Richard the 3rd or the War of the Roses."Yes, yes, YES! Do you find this valuable? |
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QueenCatherine |
7. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
Jul 9 2008, 10:47 PM EDT
"Actually, I notice this in some period movies about Rome. Most of the Romans seem to have British accents. "I was so disappointed when this didn't get a third season. I didn't actually see the series until it was over and I had access to it all on dvd. I thought it was a over the top in nudity, sexual content, and in your face violence, but the casting and storyline was good. Do you find this valuable? |
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GarterBooth |
8. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
Jul 10 2008, 10:17 AM EDT
the problem with transfering history to screen is things in real life happen at such a slower rate and therefore it is hard to bring it togehter. I belive that the writers of the Tudors have done this well, if you consider it is the same person who wrote Elizabeth, if my memory serves me right. I too was disappointed with the toher boleyn girl it did not really follow the book, as well as history. the Elizabeth sequal was not as good at the first. I answer to the question over the way that TV presents foriegners, it is simple national pride and as an Island race often Britian is portrayed as being under seige. The reason for the focus on Elizabeth in my opinion is that the current Queen bares the same name and during her reiogn it has often been described as a second golden age. Elizabeth and Henry VIII have always drawn more attention than the other tudor rulers because what they ahcieved. Even in this page we talk of Mary and Henry VIII's wives but not Henry VII who founded the dynasty, stabiled the English economy and saved around one million pounds in their money no small achievement as he had to concluded the war of the ROses and deal with over mighty magnates and two or more plots to over throw him. QueenCatherine An aside about Rome a fnatastic series, the reason there were only two was it was designed to portray how the republic became the Empire, and after Octavian became the 'first citizen' (he never took the title Emperor) it was relativly calm. the sex and nudity whilst in to titalate I belive is a representation of what Roman culture was like, they were not as prudish as we are today. Do you find this valuable? |
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9. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
Mar 11 2009, 9:41 PM EDT
Does anyone know if there's any historical films due out this year???
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AnneBoleynHero |
10. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
Mar 11 2009, 9:53 PM EDT
I agree with you, The other Boleyn girl book was fantstatic. The movie on the other hand was crappy. Not only did they potray Anne to be a complete bitch, they made Mary look all virginal and sweet. Henry was not potrayed accurately, nor Thomas Boeyn. The movie never followed the book, and the book was never true to begin with. Elizabeth: The Golden age, ok, nowhere near Elizabeth. But Anne of a thousand days was good. That was made in the 60's
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Conyle |
11. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
Mar 11 2009, 9:56 PM EDT
"Does anyone know if there's any historical films due out this year???"I keep hearing they are going to do another movie on Mary Stuart with Scarlett Johansen, I think it is, but it keeps being delayed. Do you find this valuable? |
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angelosdaughter |
12. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
Mar 12 2009, 1:28 AM EDT
"Well said, I love the first Elizabeth film with Cate Blanchet, but the anti-Mary and anti-Catholic bias taints it for me, I was stunned by how much biast it was, brazenly compared to moves from generations past. I do love the musical scores though of oldies like Mary Queen of Scots with Vanessa Redgrave and Anne of the Thousand Days. I think TOBG, thought Hollywood a lesson, lush costumes and sets aren't enough to guarentee blockbuster success. The Tudors has both, but it also has great actors who are for the most part well suited for their roles, and most importantly of all it's script and plot line - yes it's innacurate (however I'm surprised at times how much they sometimes get right) but it's thought provoking and most definately addictive."The musical score for "A Man for All Seasons" was also good. I think a French composer, George Delerue, did the scores for both "Anne of the The Thousand Days" and "A Man for All Seasons". Do you find this valuable? |
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Boudica |
13. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
Mar 12 2009, 10:09 AM EDT
"The musical score for "A Man for All Seasons" was also good. I think a French composer, George Delerue, did the scores for both "Anne of the The Thousand Days" and "A Man for All Seasons"."He did you're right. John Berry did the score for "Mary Queen of Scots" which was also a great soundtrack. I find myself humming the overture sometimes without even thinking about it, it's strange! Do you find this valuable? |
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Boudica |
14. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
Mar 12 2009, 10:25 AM EDT
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"I was so disappointed when this didn't get a third season. I didn't actually see the series until it was over and I had access to it all on dvd. I thought it was a over the top in nudity, sexual content, and in your face violence, but the casting and storyline was good."I was too, I only recently got into watching "Rome" by Netflixing it but it is very good. What I find interesting about it is comparing it to "The Tudors", HBO's creators seem to have wanted a more "authentic" historical atmosphere for the series which I enjoyed. The sets looked like Rome in the first century would have, no clean white marble buildings! They appeared to have really given their historical consultant, Jonathan Stamp, a long leash in creating the series because he's in all of the production commentaries and the main commentator in the special feature interviews. In the Tudors we never hear from their historical consultant Justin Pollard, I think that demonstrates both accuracy and authenticity aren't the top priorities of the series. And "Rome" isn't any more historically accurate than "The Tudors", mind, they just get more credit for trying to be more historically authentic, and as you stated QueenCatherine there's tons of sexploitation and violence. Do you find this valuable? |
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TillyT2 |
15. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
Mar 12 2009, 10:29 AM EDT
I remember enjoying the BBC series 'six wives of H8' with Keith Michelle as a youngster, have also liked 'Man for All Seasons' 'Anne of Thousand Days' and both the Elizabeth films (the first more than the last). I didn't really get into the Other Boleyn Girl either or the channel 4 version with Ray Winstone as H8. I would love to see a new film/drama set in the Wars of The Roses too.
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Anne'sCurls |
16. RE: We need a change in English hisorical movies
Mar 12 2009, 10:50 AM EDT
I definitely prefer Elizabeth to The Tudors. The only thing that was wrong with Elizabeth was its blatant lies and destruction of history. I saw that movie when I was a kid, and when I started reading the history I couldnt figure out why it didnt match with the book. Huh? What? Why is William Cecil serving Elizabeth until he dies? I thought Robert Dudley tried to kill Elizabeth? What's going on? Now there are still people out there who don't read the history and believe what they see.Elizabeth wasn't nearly as bad as The Golden Age when it came to Catholics. I hate the "Elizabeth is a bastard, a heretic, she has no right to rule" mentality of Rome and Spain but for the love of gawd what is up with them hiding in dark corners, always in shadow, always wearing black? Its like a new modern version of the German propaganda films? There will probably never be a Richard III movie nor a movie about Philip or Mary because there is not a market for them; you have to take into account if people will actually see these movies. And the last time I checked the only Richard III people were actually interested in was the one Shakespeare created. I liked TOBG MOVIE for what it was and its costumes. I hated the book! But I find it fascinating that Natalie Portman is the actress who most embodies how Anne Boleyn really looked. Do you find this valuable? |