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SemperEadem
SemperEadem
Elizabeth's Unknown Childhood
May 30 2008, 3:12 PM EDT | Post edited: May 30 2008, 3:12 PM EDT
Posted by antoinette2 on The Tudors Predictions Page:

Will Elizabeth's unknown childhood reveal her development as a survivor?
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SemperEadem
SemperEadem
1. RE: Elizabeth's Unknown Childhood
May 30 2008, 3:14 PM EDT | Post edited: May 30 2008, 3:14 PM EDT
In Season 3, will this be developed? Do you find this valuable?    
Holly2
Holly2
2. RE: Elizabeth's Unknown Childhood
May 30 2008, 3:18 PM EDT | Post edited: May 30 2008, 3:18 PM EDT
"Posted by antoinette2 on The Tudors Predictions Page:

Will Elizabeth's unknown childhood reveal her development as a survivor?
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I doubt that there'll be a lot of little Elizabeth in Season Three, partly because working with young child actors can be difficult. Remember how Princess Mary was shown in Season One? Apart from the third episode, she was in only one or two scenes per episode. That's probably the level of exposure we can expect for Elizabeth. If the series continues into the Catherine Parr years, and beyond Henry's death then we'll hopefully see more of her.
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Boudica
Boudica
3. RE: Elizabeth's Unknown Childhood
May 30 2008, 3:21 PM EDT | Post edited: May 30 2008, 3:21 PM EDT
Agreed. I think Elizabeth's character will disappear until the Catherine Parr years. Then she will reamerge with a new teenage cast member playing the role just as they did with Princess Mary in season 2. Do you find this valuable?    
antoinette2
antoinette2
4. RE: Elizabeth's Unknown Childhood
May 30 2008, 4:31 PM EDT | Post edited: May 30 2008, 4:31 PM EDT
"Agreed. I think Elizabeth's character will disappear until the Catherine Parr years. Then she will reamerge with a new teenage cast member playing the role just as they did with Princess Mary in season 2."
I'm crossing my fingers that, in the hopes this series continues through Elizabeth's reign, some character development will be shown and done to strengthen the story line for later seasons. The writers can probably do this with well written scenes showing the royal children together and reacting to their father and some historical antidotes and some well done nuance. I'd love to see a schooroom scene, with these super intelligent children learning together. It could be charming and maybe even include some humor which, alas, is sadly lacking in the series so far. It hurts to be a Tudor. Sometimes it hurts a lot.
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miller-pvkk
5. RE: Elizabeth's Unknown Childhood
Jun 3 2008, 1:59 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 3 2008, 1:59 AM EDT
"I'm crossing my fingers that, in the hopes this series continues through Elizabeth's reign, some character development will be shown and done to strengthen the story line for later seasons. The writers can probably do this with well written scenes showing the royal children together and reacting to their father and some historical antidotes and some well done nuance. I'd love to see a schooroom scene, with these super intelligent children learning together. It could be charming and maybe even include some humor which, alas, is sadly lacking in the series so far. It hurts to be a Tudor. Sometimes it hurts a lot."
As much as I would like to see Elizabeth in season 3, I think it is probably likely that they will focus on all the upheavals in Henry's marital life in Season 3. The writers will have their hands full just dealing with that.
I think we'll see much more of Elizabeth in Season 4, assuming at that point Henry marries Katherine Parr. Obviously at that point she'll be a tweenager.
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Boudica
Boudica
6. RE: Elizabeth's Unknown Childhood
Jun 6 2008, 11:08 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2008, 11:08 AM EDT
"I doubt that there'll be a lot of little Elizabeth in Season Three, partly because working with young child actors can be difficult. Remember how Princess Mary was shown in Season One? Apart from the third episode, she was in only one or two scenes per episode. That's probably the level of exposure we can expect for Elizabeth. If the series continues into the Catherine Parr years, and beyond Henry's death then we'll hopefully see more of her."
Despite the fact that the child actor was too old to play Elizabeth, I think Kate Duggan was such a trooper! Many of those scenes she did where very difficult (the one in episode 9 where Anne is running after Henry holding her) and a younger child probably couldn't have handled all the takes.
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miller-pvkk
7. RE: Elizabeth's Unknown Childhood
Jun 7 2008, 12:42 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2008, 12:42 AM EDT
"Despite the fact that the child actor was too old to play Elizabeth, I think Kate Duggan was such a trooper! Many of those scenes she did where very difficult (the one in episode 9 where Anne is running after Henry holding her) and a younger child probably couldn't have handled all the takes. "
True. That was a very intense scene. I will always respect Natalie Dormer's acting ability based on that scene alone. And it was based on a very similar situation that actually happened, and that Elizabeth heard about many years later.
I thought the scene where Elizabeth has been demoted to "Lady" and the staff is discussing Anne's situation and marriage in general right in front of her was also very effective.
As much as I liked that little actress, I did think she was too blonde to play Elizabeth. Elizabeth at that point had a definite reddish blonde hair color.
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miller-pvkk
8. RE: Elizabeth's Unknown Childhood
Jun 7 2008, 12:44 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2008, 12:44 AM EDT
"True. That was a very intense scene. I will always respect Natalie Dormer's acting ability based on that scene alone. And it was based on a very similar situation that actually happened, and that Elizabeth heard about many years later.
I thought the scene where Elizabeth has been demoted to "Lady" and the staff is discussing Anne's situation and marriage in general right in front of her was also very effective.
As much as I liked that little actress, I did think she was too blonde to play Elizabeth. Elizabeth at that point had a definite reddish blonde hair color."
Bad grammar - I should have said she was too "blond" too play Elizabeth. Sorry.
Anytime you British wiki members want to correct my faulty English, go right ahead.
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Shadow_in_the_Sun
Shadow_in_the_Sun
9. RE: Elizabeth's Unknown Childhood
Jun 7 2008, 7:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2008, 7:23 AM EDT
She might pop up a bit in the Catherine Howard parts. I've read that Catherine's execution had quite an effect upon Elizabeth, but I can't cite the source, so perhaps this isn't true. Do you find this valuable?    
Holly2
Holly2
10. RE: Elizabeth's Unknown Childhood
Jun 7 2008, 8:50 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2008, 8:50 AM EDT
"She might pop up a bit in the Catherine Howard parts. I've read that Catherine's execution had quite an effect upon Elizabeth, but I can't cite the source, so perhaps this isn't true."
It makes sense; even if she wasn't particularly close to Catherine, she can't have been unaffected by the fact that it was a repeat of what happened to her mother. Elizabeth may not have spoken of Anne when she was a child, but that doesn't mean that she didn't think of her.
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miller-pvkk
11. RE: Elizabeth's Unknown Childhood
Jun 10 2008, 1:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 10 2008, 1:59 PM EDT
"She might pop up a bit in the Catherine Howard parts. I've read that Catherine's execution had quite an effect upon Elizabeth, but I can't cite the source, so perhaps this isn't true."
Please, let's not start citing sources for everything. I barely have time for this wiki. If citing sources becomes mandatory to make an argument, then I'll have to bow out.
We're not writing a term paper here, so don't worry about citations!
Anyway, you are correct that Katherine Howard's death had an impact on Elizabeth. It was at eight that Elizabeth told Robert Dudley that she would never marry. Katherine Howard was executed when Elizabeth was eight. At eight, Elizabeth
would have been very much aware of that execution, and it makes sense that she compared it to her mother's.
Considering that Jane Seymour died giving birth, what logical young girl wouldn't decide at that point that marriage equals death, at least for women marrying royalty.
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Boudica
Boudica
12. RE: Elizabeth's Unknown Childhood
Jun 10 2008, 2:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 10 2008, 2:41 PM EDT
"Please, let's not start citing sources for everything. I barely have time for this wiki. If citing sources becomes mandatory to make an argument, then I'll have to bow out.
We're not writing a term paper here, so don't worry about citations!
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There's no rule that citations are mandatory for the forum or any part of the site for that matter, most of the information is simple stuff one can look up on encylopedia websites. I do remember though a while back, while I was having a discussion with angelosdaughter on the rumor that Anne Bolyen tried to have Princess Mary Tudor poisoned, and I asked for citations because I found it dubious. Now and then I ask people who say something I've never heard of (history wise) where they got it from, not because I necessarily doubt their source but because I'm curious and I'd like to read it for myself...because I'm a history geek and that's what I choose to do with myself!
But of course, citations are not a requirement and if you don't feel like using them then don't, I don't always have time for them either. Most of what we discuss is common knowledge amonst Tudorphiles anyho.
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miller-pvkk
13. RE: Elizabeth's Unknown Childhood
Jun 10 2008, 7:30 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 10 2008, 7:30 PM EDT
"There's no rule that citations are mandatory for the forum or any part of the site for that matter, most of the information is simple stuff one can look up on encylopedia websites. I do remember though a while back, while I was having a discussion with angelosdaughter on the rumor that Anne Bolyen tried to have Princess Mary Tudor poisoned, and I asked for citations because I found it dubious. Now and then I ask people who say something I've never heard of (history wise) where they got it from, not because I necessarily doubt their source but because I'm curious and I'd like to read it for myself...because I'm a history geek and that's what I choose to do with myself!
But of course, citations are not a requirement and if you don't feel like using them then don't, I don't always have time for them either. Most of what we discuss is common knowledge amonst Tudorphiles anyho.
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Okay, good. I just didn't want citations to become a requirement.
Personally, I never heard that Anne Boleyn actually tried to have Mary Tudor poisoned, or Katherine of Aragon either. I've always heard that that was as unsubstantiated rumor.
I can see where citations may come in handy if you've never heard something and you want it substantiated. That does make sense.
Also, if you find something particularly interesting, it's nice to know where you can go to read it yourself.
So under some circumstances, citations can definitely come in handy.
Thanks for the clarification.
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