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lettice	20. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 17 2008, 8:32 AM EDT "They had Compton and Tallis for the first season, and George and Smeaton for the second so if they decide to make a pattern of it, that could happen." If so, it's time for the ladies! This will make it an equal opportunity series. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Anya1976	21. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 20 2008, 5:13 PM EDT like most shows i am sure she will be made beautiful or she will be made "ugly" like Ugly betty ugly which isn't really ugly but it's not the fake beauty of the entertainment industry. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Hever	22. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 20 2008, 7:14 PM EDT I think she should be an average looking woman. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
melaniej65	23. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 20 2008, 10:18 PM EDT " I predict Season 3 will open with Jane's marriage and Mary's submission. Maybe one or two episodes will be devoted to the Pilgrimage of Grace and the further dissolution of the religious houses. Then there'll be a 2 part midseason episode, part one being Edward's birth and Jane's death, part 2 being Henry's mourning, the trial of Thomas a Becket (do you really think Showtime would skip something so dramatically gruesome?)." Thomas Becket was the contemporary of Henry II, some say murdered under the King's direct request. While it has been said that Henry VIII called Thomas to trial (there was certainly no dramatic, lengthy or gruesome aspects) the Shrine was destroyed and the bones said to be burnt, I cannot see the point of making this a focal point of Henry VIII's story. He took the penance that Henry II paid to be an insult to that King, but other than this being a pointed swipe at the Catholic Church, it played no great part in the long run, after all- there were so very many LIVING persons who perished under Henry VIII, his denunciation of the long dead St. Thomas Becket caused a murmur, NOT a furor! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
lettice	24. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 21 2008, 2:30 PM EDT "Thomas Becket was the contemporary of Henry II, some say murdered under the King's direct request. While it has been said that Henry VIII called Thomas to trial (there was certainly no dramatic, lengthy or gruesome aspects) the Shrine was destroyed and the bones said to be burnt, I cannot see the point of making this a focal point of Henry VIII's story. He took the penance that Henry II paid to be an insult to that King, but other than this being a pointed swipe at the Catholic Church, it played no great part in the long run, after all- there were so very many LIVING persons who perished under Henry VIII, his denunciation of the long dead St. Thomas Becket caused a murmur, NOT a furor!" I'm a bit confused about Thomas Beckett. Did I miss something? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
tinitini	25. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 21 2008, 4:14 PM EDT I am also confused about the Thomas Becket thing. I think they will make Anne of Cleves a plain jane type. Not ugly, not pretty. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
melaniej65	26. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 21 2008, 4:40 PM EDT I was responding to Carriep's assertion that the 'trial' of Thomas Becket was dramatic and gruesome, when in reality it was nothing more than a speech which led to the destruction of the Shrine (and some claim his bones). There was nothing dramatic or gruesome about this blip in history. I was only trying to point out that this 'trial' is not worthy of more than a scene (if that)- certainly not what carriep claims the episode to be worthy. Melanie Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
FMFJRMGRL	27. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 21 2008, 5:11 PM EDT "I am also confused about the Thomas Becket thing. I think they will make Anne of Cleves a plain jane type. Not ugly, not pretty." Me too...I was just reading about it in my book...it happened to Henry II... When I read your comment I said to myslef I wonder if thats where the phrase "Plain Jane" comes from????? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Boudica	28. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 21 2008, 6:07 PM EDT " The writers haven't held back in exposing several characters as homosexual. I have a suspicion that they are going to make Anne of Cleves a lesbian. ." I'm willing to put money on this prediction. As others have pointed out, the writers have made other characters homosexual who never had historical background to suggest they were (Compton, Tallils, Smeaton) that will probably continue in the next season to court a certain demographic audience and since they've done two male couples, why not a female? Plus there's no record of Anne being gay, but there's also no record of her having relations with other men after her annullment with Henry. On a practical note, I believe that is more because if Anne remarried she would have to forfeit some of her wealth from her previous relations with Henry, because that's how it was done for women who remarried after being a widow (ie. Margaret Tudor after marrying the Earl of Arundel, she lost her title as Regent of Scotland), so would Anne have lost her properties, income, and automnomy, who would give up that? (I wouldn't!) But I think the creators will take it from another angle and make her out to be a lesbian in order make things more "sexy" and interesting. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Boudica	29. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 21 2008, 6:10 PM EDT "I was responding to Carriep's assertion that the 'trial' of Thomas Becket was dramatic and gruesome, when in reality it was nothing more than a speech which led to the destruction of the Shrine (and some claim his bones). There was nothing dramatic or gruesome about this blip in history. I was only trying to point out that this 'trial' is not worthy of more than a scene (if that)- certainly not what carriep claims the episode to be worthy. Melanie" Thank you for clearing that up Melanie, I hadn't heard about that incident and at first thought it was a mistake or confusion. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Boudica	30. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 21 2008, 6:17 PM EDT "I think she should be an average looking woman." gasp! hehehe, average on the set with all these ridiculously good looking people - compared to them she would look ugly. :( Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Scarlett45	31. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 22 2008, 12:28 PM EDT "On a practical note, I believe that is more because if Anne remarried she would have to forfeit some of her wealth from her previous relations with Henry, because that's how it was done for women who remarried after being a widow (ie. Margaret Tudor after marrying the Earl of Arundel, she lost her title as Regent of Scotland), so would Anne have lost her properties, income, and automnomy, who would give up that? (I wouldn't!) But I think the creators will take it from another angle and make her out to be a lesbian in order make things more "sexy" and interesting." Well one of the reasons Henry used to authorize the annulment of AoC's marriage to him, was the fact that she was pre-contracted to marry the Duke of Lorriane. (which wasnt valid any more but we know Henry.........) If she could not be married to the King due to her pre-contract, then it would be equally as impossible for her to be married to someone else. PLUS, what man in England would wish to marry AoC after she had been cast aside by the King, called a "Flander's Mare", and the King had said she was ugly, smelly and caused his impotence! That man would be the laughing stock of England. But yes, being a single woman of means was a much better life than being a wife of a courtier. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Hever	32. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 22 2008, 3:26 PM EDT "gasp! hehehe, average on the set with all these ridiculously good looking people - compared to them she would look ugly. :(" That's true, I didn't think of that. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
LNor19	33. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 22 2008, 4:13 PM EDT "I agree, she probably was stronger. I bet she would have given him sons, she was the athletic type. " And Henry wanting a obident wife, well Anne would've been just that. She was "sweet and kind", Henry should've just gotten over himself. I believe Anne would've given him children and been the "perfect" wife for him. But alas, Vainity, thy name was Henry. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SemperEadem	34. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 22 2008, 4:46 PM EDT "And Henry wanting a obident wife, well Anne would've been just that. She was "sweet and kind", Henry should've just gotten over himself. I believe Anne would've given him children and been the "perfect" wife for him. But alas, Vainity, thy name was Henry." I'm not so sure at that point whether any woman could have given Henry sons or not...he had to be able to do his part on his end, if you know what I mean. Embarrassment about this could have caused him to say she was unattractive, thus giving him a way out in his mind of not thinking he was "manly" enough. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
FMFJRMGRL	35. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 22 2008, 10:19 PM EDT "I'm not so sure at that point whether any woman could have given Henry sons or not...he had to be able to do his part on his end, if you know what I mean. Embarrassment about this could have caused him to say she was unattractive, thus giving him a way out in his mind of not thinking he was "manly" enough. " LOL! Vain indeed!, in the virile dept... Some pics I have seen of his Armor "codpiece" it was pretty large...and that proves his vanity in that area..It protruded out pretty far....So I'm sure "he" couldnt possibly not be manly enough...Yeh right! Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
lettice	36. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 23 2008, 9:18 AM EDT "And Henry wanting a obident wife, well Anne would've been just that. She was "sweet and kind", Henry should've just gotten over himself. I believe Anne would've given him children and been the "perfect" wife for him. But alas, Vainity, thy name was Henry." Anne was different from other women Henry either married or kept as a mistress. She did not speak several languages, she was not a graceful dancer, she was not skilled in "courtly love" etc. I think he would have gotten over this had she not rebuffed him when he payed her a surprise visit in disguise. His vanity wouldn't allow him to get over this. I believe he was also beginning to notice Katherine Howard. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
linda56	37. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 26 2008, 8:18 PM EDT i think guinith paltrow should play one of his wives Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
gilgamasheck	38. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 27 2008, 8:46 AM EDT I think Anne of Cleves will be moderately beautiful, at least not ugly. She may be shown as hard to understand and in strange clothes, It may be funny who knows. I think Anne of Cleves seems to look the most "normal" by today's standards and shes always been one of the most interesting to me as well. Afterall, she is the only other wife besides Katherine of Aragon that was of royal blood. I found a small oil portrait of her in an antique store the other day for 50 dollars. I haven't bought it yet but I may. Its a repro of the Hans Holbein one and dates from the 1800s I believe. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Boudica	39. RE: Will Anne of Cleves be made beautiful... Jun 27 2008, 9:06 AM EDT "Afterall, she is the only other wife besides Katherine of Aragon that was of royal blood. " Technically all of Henry's wives had a bit of royal blood, they were all descentants of Edward I, even Anne of Cleves. Half of them, Katherine of Aragon, Jane Seymour, Catherine Parr were descentants of Edward III. In fact, Jane Seymour was a fifth cousin three times removed of her husband, and they needed a dispensation in order to marry because of their relatedness. But I see what you mean, KoA and AoC were the only wives who were members of a ruling dynasty. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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