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TudorChick
Anne's Execution
May 28 2008, 9:41 PM EDT | Post edited: May 28 2008, 9:41 PM EDT
Perhaps this has been asked before, but does anyone know the translation of the French words that were engraved on the sword used to execute Anne? Thanks! 8  out of 9 found this valuable. Do you?    
MsSquirrly
MsSquirrly
1. RE: Anne's Execution
May 28 2008, 10:53 PM EDT | Post edited: May 28 2008, 10:53 PM EDT
"Perhaps this has been asked before, but does anyone know the translation of the French words that were engraved on the sword used to execute Anne? Thanks!"
havent seen episode 10 yet so I dont know what was on the sword. Do you know what the french words were? Perhaps they were just there to show that he was a french swordsman?
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TudorChick
2. RE: Anne's Execution
May 29 2008, 9:39 AM EDT | Post edited: May 29 2008, 9:39 AM EDT
"havent seen episode 10 yet so I dont know what was on the sword. Do you know what the french words were? Perhaps they were just there to show that he was a french swordsman?"
Excellent idea about indicating the French but I think the words do mean a little something interesting.
I can translate some of it. One problem is that one of the words is hard for me to read. Here is what I got.
"My right hand, it has my ________ {S'est mon Seignens or Seigneus}". The Death, the love, the truth."
Or something like that.
THANKS for the help.
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aragon77
3. RE: Anne's Execution
May 29 2008, 1:07 PM EDT | Post edited: May 29 2008, 1:07 PM EDT
"Perhaps this has been asked before, but does anyone know the translation of the French words that were engraved on the sword used to execute Anne? Thanks!"
That's a good question it was a highlight of the show...I am going to keep a eye out when I watch again tonight.
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TudorChick
4. RE: Anne's Execution
May 29 2008, 3:19 PM EDT | Post edited: May 29 2008, 3:19 PM EDT
"That's a good question it was a highlight of the show...I am going to keep a eye out when I watch again tonight."
Thanks!
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Mairy
Mairy
5. RE: Anne's Execution
Jun 2 2008, 1:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2008, 1:07 PM EDT
Did anyone notice the kindness that the French executioner showed Anne? He showed more emotion than Brandon did. 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
lettice
lettice
6. RE: Anne's Execution
Jun 2 2008, 3:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2008, 3:07 PM EDT
"Did anyone notice the kindness that the French executioner showed Anne? He showed more emotion than Brandon did."
Before he could say "Boy, bring me my sword", it was over. The scene with her head tumbling right after she looked up at the doves, was very effective.
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actchickcee
actchickcee
7. RE: Anne's Execution
Jun 2 2008, 3:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2008, 3:14 PM EDT
Ahhh, I'm really going crazy here! I have to watch The Tudors online, at the mercy of when someone posts new episodes. I so badly need to see the finale, I don't want to see Anne die, but it's like a band aid, I have to rip it off fast and be done with it. Not seeing the episode, but knowing what is to come is driving me bonkers. I keep sneaking onto these threads for spoilers to get myself prepared for it, lol. I really hate to see Natalie go to, I've loved her portrayal of Anne, it's really what keeps me coming back for more.

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miller-pvkk
8. RE: Anne's Execution
Jun 2 2008, 3:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2008, 3:22 PM EDT
It has always bothered me that a person is still conscious for a few seconds after he or she is beheaded. My husband once explained the medical reason for that, but I can't remember the details. Maybe somebody else knows. I bet it was especially true with Anne, since the beheading was so quick and easy. I've heard that her lips and eyes continued to move for about eight seconds. How gruesome!!!! 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Mairy
Mairy
9. RE: Anne's Execution
Jun 2 2008, 3:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2008, 3:45 PM EDT
"It has always bothered me that a person is still conscious for a few seconds after he or she is beheaded. My husband once explained the medical reason for that, but I can't remember the details. Maybe somebody else knows. I bet it was especially true with Anne, since the beheading was so quick and easy. I've heard that her lips and eyes continued to move for about eight seconds. How gruesome!!!!"
I'm not sure what its called but I do know what your talking about. The disconnection was so fast and so smooth I'm fairly certain that she felt no pain.

I was glad that Henry changed his mind and didn't have the other executioner(the one that did her brother) do the job. In my mind it was the only compassion that Henry showed her.
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miller-pvkk
10. RE: Anne's Execution
Jun 2 2008, 4:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2008, 4:13 PM EDT
"I'm not sure what its called but I do know what your talking about. The disconnection was so fast and so smooth I'm fairly certain that she felt no pain.

I was glad that Henry changed his mind and didn't have the other executioner(the one that did her brother) do the job. In my mind it was the only compassion that Henry showed her."
I hope she didn't feel any pain. If she did, it was extremely brief.
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Steffanie
Steffanie
11. RE: Anne's Execution
Jun 2 2008, 4:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2008, 4:46 PM EDT
Is it not true that Anne had a private execution in real life
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MsSquirrly
MsSquirrly
12. RE: Anne's Execution
Jun 2 2008, 7:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2008, 7:37 PM EDT
"Is it not true that Anne had a private execution in real life
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It was private in the sense that there were approximately a "1,000 spectators, the lord mayor and aldermen came to see the king's justice done, and behind them 'certain of the best crafts of London' - no foreigners - Englishmen and women come to see the first English Queen exectued. Around the scaffold itself the faces she knew so well; Thomas Audley, the lord chancellor, whom she had last seen at her trial; Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk whose life had been so entwined with her own ever since her journey to France as a 13 year old attendant of the King's sister Mary, who had married Brandon who hated her and was now dead; Henry Fitzroy, her 17 yer old stepson who had only 9 weeks to live; and Thomas Cromwell who had climbed to power behind Anne and now had to destroy her in order to retain power" [excerpt from Eric Ives "Life and death of Anne Boleyn]
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Lady_anne2
Lady_anne2
13. RE: Anne's Execution
Jun 2 2008, 8:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2008, 8:08 PM EDT
"It has always bothered me that a person is still conscious for a few seconds after he or she is beheaded. My husband once explained the medical reason for that, but I can't remember the details. Maybe somebody else knows. I bet it was especially true with Anne, since the beheading was so quick and easy. I've heard that her lips and eyes continued to move for about eight seconds. How gruesome!!!!"
It's a type of nerve ending reaction. The person isn't really "alive" when it happens, it's a physical reflex.

Sometimes corpses will seem to exhale a last breath even though they've been dead for hours. It's air trapped in the lungs escaping or gasses building up from decomposition.

Also, sometimes bodies would bolt upright in open caskets. Once again, it's a post mortem reflex or rigor mortis. Not pleasant, but not painful!
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nosegay
nosegay
14. RE: Anne's Execution
Jun 2 2008, 8:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2008, 8:10 PM EDT
I usually record these episodes and watch them a 2nd time the next day. However, I haven't been able to watch the final episode twice yet. Really sad. I noticed that what's his name brought his son to watch someone die. Apparently that's the lesson he wanted to share with his son. Watch your butt. My husband turned to me when the swans kept reappearing and said "Swans mate for life." That' didn't quite work out for Anne. And, I liked her morbid humor about her small neck, and yes, the executioner was particulary gentle and skillful, at least.
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Lady_anne2
Lady_anne2
15. RE: Anne's Execution
Jun 2 2008, 8:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2008, 8:16 PM EDT
"Englishmen and women come to see the first English Queen exectued. Around the scaffold itself the faces she knew so well; Thomas Audley, the lord chancellor, whom she had last seen at her trial; "
You mean she had a trial?
:-D

I still believe it was a great mistake not to show Anne's trial. We saw the trial of Thomas More and it was very moving. It makes no sense to cut it out completely except for a short verbal reference.
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skystew
16. RE: Anne's Execution
Jun 2 2008, 8:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2008, 8:20 PM EDT
"It's a type of nerve ending reaction. The person isn't really "alive" when it happens, it's a physical reflex.

Sometimes corpses will seem to exhale a last breath even though they've been dead for hours. It's air trapped in the lungs escaping or gasses building up from decomposition.

Also, sometimes bodies would bolt upright in open caskets. Once again, it's a post mortem reflex or rigor mortis. Not pleasant, but not painful!"
From what I understand it has something to do with the lack of oxygen to the brain. In other words, there is still oxygen going to the brain but after the head was severed oxygen was still in the brain for at least 8 seconds. I also know of another (true) story about the effects of oxygen in the brain after a person was severed at the waist but was still 'alive' for 8-10 seconds and they didn't realize what had happened to them.
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Lady_anne2
Lady_anne2
17. RE: Anne's Execution
Jun 2 2008, 9:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2008, 9:49 PM EDT
"From what I understand it has something to do with the lack of oxygen to the brain. In other words, there is still oxygen going to the brain but after the head was severed oxygen was still in the brain for at least 8 seconds. I also know of another (true) story about the effects of oxygen in the brain after a person was severed at the waist but was still 'alive' for 8-10 seconds and they didn't realize what had happened to them."
I'm sure b/c one the spinal cord is severed, all feeling in any appendages is gone. Now to see it and even have to process it for oneself for 8 seconds would be horrific! 8 seconds can be a very long time in those circumstances.
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SemperEadem
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18. RE: Anne's Execution
Jun 2 2008, 9:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2008, 9:57 PM EDT
"I'm sure b/c one the spinal cord is severed, all feeling in any appendages is gone. Now to see it and even have to process it for oneself for 8 seconds would be horrific! 8 seconds can be a very long time in those circumstances."
Ok, so I don't remember who it was, but in one of my history classes we learned about an early scientist (of course, anyone who experimented with anything was called a scientist back in the day, LOL) who was sentenced to execution by beheading (maybe this was during the French Revolution?). He decided he wanted to make his death an experiment, so he asked his friends in attendance to count how many times he blinked his eyes after his head was lopped off. For as long as he could, he purposefully blinked his eyes. His friends counted something like 20 blinks (now that is dedication to science).

So, now anytime I see or hear about someone being executed by beheading, this is all I think of. There is consciousness for a little while...how horrible to know your head is no longer connected to your body, but I don't know if pain is felt (although I would think pain receptors and nerves would still send info to your brain? Maybe not).
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miller-pvkk
19. RE: Anne's Execution
Jun 2 2008, 11:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2008, 11:08 PM EDT
"Ok, so I don't remember who it was, but in one of my history classes we learned about an early scientist (of course, anyone who experimented with anything was called a scientist back in the day, LOL) who was sentenced to execution by beheading (maybe this was during the French Revolution?). He decided he wanted to make his death an experiment, so he asked his friends in attendance to count how many times he blinked his eyes after his head was lopped off. For as long as he could, he purposefully blinked his eyes. His friends counted something like 20 blinks (now that is dedication to science).

So, now anytime I see or hear about someone being executed by beheading, this is all I think of. There is consciousness for a little while...how horrible to know your head is no longer connected to your body, but I don't know if pain is felt (although I would think pain receptors and nerves would still send info to your brain? Maybe not)."
OMG. I wish you could remember who that scientist was and when it was. That really gives me the creeps.
I just asked my physciian husband what his thoughts are on this subject. He said that when you're beheaded, your blood pressure would instantly drop to zero, but because of those pain receptors and nerves you referred to SE, there is a chance you would still be aware of your surroundings and feel pain for a couple of seconds.
However, you're saying that guy blinked his eyes for 20 seconds. Maybe after a few seconds it had just become a reflex, as Lady Anne suggested.
I hope to God all those people didn't feel pain for 20 seconds. Twenty seconds is a long time under those circumstances, and the pain must have been horrendous.
What really gets me is that some people are still being beheaded, and then it's being posted on the internet. Sick!!!!
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