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Discussion: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
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 Mairy |
Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
May 27 2008, 12:09 PM EDT I've also wondered why Thomas Wyatt was not tried for treason as the other 4 men arrested were? Did his friendship with Cromwell have something to do with his getting off free? 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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RE: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
May 27 2008, 12:18 PM EDT That was wierd, wasn't it? As I stated in another thread, his scene with Cromwell cracked me up. The poem he was writing at the end was very poignant. "These bloody days have broken my heart..." . Do you find this valuable? |
 angelosdaughter |
RE: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
May 27 2008, 11:40 PM EDT "Nevile Williams in "Henry VIII and His Court" ( he is the only author I've found so far who says anything about why Wyatt was arrested),says Wyatt was only arrested "to bolster a weak case,, but that as "her (Anne's) lifelong friend (Wyatt) could provide no scrap of infomation of significance, and there was nothing to incriminate him, he was released after a few weeks." pg 144. Do you find this valuable? |
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Mairy |
RE: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
May 28 2008, 12:19 AM EDT I wonder what roll he will play in Season 3? Or if he will even stay at court after he is released? Do you find this valuable? |
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angelosdaughter |
RE: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
May 28 2008, 12:31 AM EDT "I wonder what roll he will play in Season 3? Or if he will even stay at court after he is released?"Well, the historical Wyatt returned to court and served Henry leading diplomatic missions to the Emperor and Francis of France on Henry's behalf. until his death in 1542, so unless the writers really ignore history, Wyatt should show up in Season 3. Do you find this valuable? |
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RE: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
May 28 2008, 4:08 PM EDT "Nevile Williams in "Henry VIII and His Court" ( he is the only author I've found so far who says anything about why Wyatt was arrested),says Wyatt was only arrested "to bolster a weak case,, but that as "her (Anne's) lifelong friend (Wyatt) could provide no scrap of infomation of significance, and there was nothing to incriminate him, he was released after a few weeks." pg 144."But there was very little to incriminate any of the men who died at the scaffold, except that they befriended her (or was her brother). His release is a surprise, but oh well! One less death on Henry's conscience. Do you find this valuable? |
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angelosdaughter |
RE: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
May 28 2008, 4:47 PM EDT "But there was very little to incriminate any of the men who died at the scaffold, except that they befriended her (or was her brother). His release is a surprise, but oh well! One less death on Henry's conscience."You are right. In fact Wyatt had once pursued Anne before Henry; he was made in no uncertain terms aware that he needed to back off. Erickson in "Mistress Anne" pp 66-67 recounts an incident during a game of bowls between Henry and Wyatt in which the King made his interest in Anne quite clear and as told Wyatt so. Wyatt was married, and Anne was never interested in being his mistress, either. But his involvement with Anne was certainly more than any of the other 5 men. He must have known somebody. George Constantine who was imprisoned with his master Norris in the Tower wrote about Brereton that if "anyone among them was innocent, it was he." Weir, pg 331 Do you find this valuable? |
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angelosdaughter |
RE: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
May 28 2008, 4:53 PM EDT By the way, Wyatt would write a poem "Who List to Hunt" of which Anne Boleyn is generally accepted to be the subject. It compares her to a deer pursued by numerous hunters, Around her neck she wears a necklace with letters spelling out ..."noli me tangere (don't touch me) , for Caesar's I am, and wild for to hold though I seem tame." 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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RE: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
May 28 2008, 7:06 PM EDT "according to Alison Weir if Thomas and the other man, Page I think, who was also released where not tried and convicted it would some how lend credibility to Cromwell's case. I mean it would seam a bit suspicious if every man Cromwell arrested or questioned turned out to be guilty. So, having two men who turned out to be "innocent" it would make it seam that there was real evidence to condemn the others. Do you find this valuable? |
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RE: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
May 28 2008, 9:35 PM EDT "By the way, Wyatt would write a poem "Who List to Hunt" of which Anne Boleyn is generally accepted to be the subject. It compares her to a deer pursued by numerous hunters, Around her neck she wears a necklace with letters spelling out ..."noli me tangere (don't touch me) , for Caesar's I am, and wild for to hold though I seem tame." "I think because as the poems concedes Henry's "right" to Anne and withdraws from the field so to speak. I love that poem. Do you find this valuable? |
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lettice |
RE: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
May 29 2008, 8:51 AM EDT "according to Alison Weir if Thomas and the other man, Page I think, who was also released where not tried and convicted it would some how lend credibility to Cromwell's case. I mean it would seam a bit suspicious if every man Cromwell arrested or questioned turned out to be guilty. So, having two men who turned out to be "innocent" it would make it seam that there was real evidence to condemn the others."Good point! But it is ironic that the man who truly loved Anne and had designs to pursue her, was the one set free. I believe there was an incident where Wyatt shows off a piece of Anne's jewelry to the King (I think a necklace) when the King is wearing Anne's ring on his finger to show they are "an item". I forget the details, but it was defiant on Wyatt's part. I'm surprised Henry didn't recall that and lop off Wyatt's head as well. Do you find this valuable? |
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angelosdaughter |
RE: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
May 29 2008, 1:10 PM EDT "Good point! But it is ironic that the man who truly loved Anne and had designs to pursue her, was the one set free.Yes, that is the incident the Erickson recounts in "Mistress Anne" I was surprised that that incident did not occur to Henry as well . Of all of the men arrested, it is most surprising that Wyatt was one of the two released. Do you find this valuable? |
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RE: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
May 29 2008, 1:56 PM EDT "Yes, that is the incident the Erickson recounts in "Mistress Anne"Who else was released Anglesdaughter? Do you find this valuable? |
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angelosdaughter |
RE: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
May 29 2008, 4:34 PM EDT "Who else was released Anglesdaughter?"Sir Richard Page, of whom nothing else seems to be known. In Weir's "Six Wives", she states (pg. 322) that Wyatt and Page were never charged, nor ever intended to be; their arrest and subsequent release was intended to emphasize the guilt of the other detainees. On pag 324, Weir says that apparently Cromwell had already informed Wyatt's father sub rosa that no harm would come to his son; it seems there is a surviving letter from Wyatt's father thanking Cromwell for his beneficence. And, indeed, on pg 334, Weir notes that Chapuys had written that Wyatt and Page were in the Tower until Anne's execution, whereupon they would be released, Wyatt with his father's guarantee of his good behaviour, and Page upon the condition that he remove himself from the king and his court forever, an interesting penalty since nothing at all seems to connect him with Anne Boleyn. Wyatt went on and continued in his service to Henry, Page, from what I can see, disappears from the historical record. Someone else on another thread first noted that Cromwell was involved in the release of Wyatt. Do you find this valuable? |
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angelosdaughter |
RE: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
May 29 2008, 6:33 PM EDT " Someone else on another thread first noted that Cromwell was involved in the release of Wyatt. "Oops, Sorry' it was Mairy who began this thread who suggested Cromwell's involvement in Wyatt's release. Do you find this valuable? |
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RE: Why was Thomas Wyatt not tried for Treason
Jun 15 2008, 3:42 AM EDT But maybe he could have been spared to get back at him sort of like the swan thing ..he is left alone in pain..I think Henry knew how much he loved her...If she lived after her "adulterous affairs" she could then marry again...No one was going to have her after him. He loved her very much. Do you find this valuable? |