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william Brereton
May 18 2008, 10:48 PM EDT
this is the first time I encountered any suspicion of Anne being sought by as assassin. It was interesting to note that he was implicated as Champys man on the insise, and that he reported his failure to the Pope who rather than giving him political asylum, returns him to England in this holy order of priests dedicated to the obliteration of the protestant movement., the Boleyns in particular. Is this rue.?or did the Tudors script embellish this? Also, Champys reports, that the autopsy of Catherine of Aragon's body revealed a black heart, a sign of poisoning. Is there any historical evidence of this? It seems more plausable, to a modern person, that she most likely had a very serious infection after her first pregnancy, which left her abdomin swollen, giving hope to her lst failed pregnancy. I have to think that this infection, must surely have damaged her reproductive organs, leading to her many stillborn births. It seems Princess Mary, also suffered from female related disorders, that plagued her throughout her life . Is there anyone who can shed light on this mystery, or will we never know.?
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1. RE: william Brereton
May 19 2008, 4:09 AM EDT
"this is the first time I encountered any suspicion of Anne being sought by as assassin. It was interesting to note that he was implicated as Champys man on the insise, and that he reported his failure to the Pope who rather than giving him political asylum, returns him to England in this holy order of priests dedicated to the obliteration of the protestant movement., the Boleyns in particular. Is this rue.?or did the Tudors script embellish this? Also, Champys reports, that the autopsy of Catherine of Aragon's body revealed a black heart, a sign of poisoning. Is there any historical evidence of this? It seems more plausable, to a modern person, that she most likely had a very serious infection after her first pregnancy, which left her abdomin swollen, giving hope to her lst failed pregnancy. I have to think that this infection, must surely have damaged her reproductive organs, leading to her many stillborn births. It seems Princess Mary, also suffered from female related disorders, that plagued her throughout her life . Is there anyone who can shed light on this mystery, or will we never know.?"Modern medical experts seem to agree that the discoloration of Katherine's heart was due to cancer, not to poisoning. Do you find this valuable? |
Mairy |
2. RE: william Brereton
May 27 2008, 6:58 PM EDT
Not to confuse anyone but I would like to take this thread in another direction. Did William Brereton confess to having had intimate knowledge of Queen Anne is episode 9? And if so, why would he do that considering he tried to assassinate her during her coronation?
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Holly2 |
3. RE: william Brereton
May 27 2008, 7:01 PM EDT
"Not to confuse anyone but I would like to take this thread in another direction. Did William Brereton confess to having had intimate knowledge of Queen Anne is episode 9? And if so, why would he do that considering he tried to assassinate her during her coronation? "Brandon said that he did. If that's true, it's possible that he confessed as a means of carrying out his mission to kill Anne. This way, he can destroy her and for him, I think his own death is a small price to pay to fulfil his mission. Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: william Brereton
May 27 2008, 7:05 PM EDT
"Not to confuse anyone but I would like to take this thread in another direction. Did William Brereton confess to having had intimate knowledge of Queen Anne is episode 9? And if so, why would he do that considering he tried to assassinate her during her coronation? "Presumably he martyred himself to accomplish what the pope originally wanted....Anne's death. Although I have to say, the whole assassination thing bugs me because its not accurate and besmirches Brereton's character. Mind you, it is true that Brereton was no angel, The irony was that he had gotten someone executed on trumped up charges and then it happened to him. Basically Cromwell wanted rid of him and thats why he was added to the list of suspects. Do you find this valuable? |
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aragon77 |
5. RE: william Brereton
May 28 2008, 2:28 PM EDT
"Not to confuse anyone but I would like to take this thread in another direction. Did William Brereton confess to having had intimate knowledge of Queen Anne is episode 9? And if so, why would he do that considering he tried to assassinate her during her coronation? "Yes he did confess on epi-9...I think that he confessed after the assignation b/c I think he hated Anne so much he knew that confessing would put Anne in danger as well, at that point he was on a mission and when that happens you put yourself in harms way. Did you see the way he kneeled to have his head cut off? He was the only one that did not care about dying...this is all series talk just wanted to point that out....someone said the assassination was a plot of Showtime not history. Do you find this valuable? |
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MsSquirrly |
6. RE: william Brereton
May 28 2008, 3:00 PM EDT
"Yes he did confess on epi-9...I think that he confessed after the assignation b/c I think he hated Anne so much he knew that confessing would put Anne in danger as well, at that point he was on a mission and when that happens you put yourself in harms way. Did you see the way he kneeled to have his head cut off? He was the only one that did not care about dying...this is all series talk just wanted to point that out....someone said the assassination was a plot of Showtime not history."The plot is not historical...neither is his confession. Only Smeaton confessed and being a commoner, he was tortured. Do you find this valuable? |
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aragon77 |
7. RE: william Brereton
May 28 2008, 3:10 PM EDT
"The plot is not historical...neither is his confession. Only Smeaton confessed and being a commoner, he was tortured."Right, but Mairy, asked on her post if Breaton confessed to an affair with Anne on episode 9, which he did confess to having a affair with the Queen, and he also tried to assassinate Anne at the coronation on a previous episode, BUT no Mairy both were not perceived accurate events by historians LOL. Do you find this valuable? |
We_Are_Not_Amused |
8. RE: william Brereton
Jul 17 2008, 10:38 AM EDT
This show takes a lot of artistic license. I don't know of any historical evidence to back up the idea that Brereton confessed to ensure Anne's execution, thereby martyring himself. The show also implies that he was poisoning Anne. Did you notice that before each miscarriage he is shown serving her, and her obvious suspicion? History kind of suggests that he was set up so that Cromwell could aquire his lands and holdings.
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Boudica |
9. RE: william Brereton
Jul 17 2008, 2:00 PM EDT
"This show takes a lot of artistic license. I don't know of any historical evidence to back up the idea that Brereton confessed to ensure Anne's execution, thereby martyring himself. The show also implies that he was poisoning Anne. Did you notice that before each miscarriage he is shown serving her, and her obvious suspicion? History kind of suggests that he was set up so that Cromwell could aquire his lands and holdings."There isn't any historical evidence that Brereton was a wannabe assasin of Anne Boleyn (see historical innaccuracies page) in fact Brereton was a was historically a member of the Boleyn faction. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Maggie-AnneB. |
10. RE: william Brereton
Feb 21 2009, 6:43 PM EST
"This show takes a lot of artistic license. I don't know of any historical evidence to back up the idea that Brereton confessed to ensure Anne's execution, thereby martyring himself. The show also implies that he was poisoning Anne. Did you notice that before each miscarriage he is shown serving her, and her obvious suspicion? History kind of suggests that he was set up so that Cromwell could aquire his lands and holdings."I NEVER noticed that! But now that I think about it, it is true. You never get a definate answer about that, but ummm.... Oh I like that! Also, I may be wrong but I read somewhere that Bereton did confess to sleeping with Anne but he later recanted. Now I'm not sure, but I could not be lazy and go look it up on the internet or in one of my bios. But I'm going to be lazy. So don't take my word, but I think I may be correct. Maybe... Do you find this valuable? |
