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Lady_anne2 |
40. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 20 2008, 8:19 PM EDT
"Spoiler for 8That's an excellent point! When George told her to be more like Katherine; never show her hand, I think he meant don't act like a crazy person saying you're going to have them killed when Henry is away. For Anne to entertain was normal for her, but perhaps it would have been a better time for her to give money to the poor again instead. Do you find this valuable? |
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41. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 20 2008, 10:25 PM EDT
"I can't. I can't even imagine how difficult it was on the actors. I also don't like the way they made it appear as though Anne had sanctioned the poisoning of Katherine and Mary. Katherine died of cancer, as did Mary when she was Queen.Yeah, Henry and Anne must have been pretty happy during the nine months she was pregnant with Elizabeth, but they just race through that. And now that I've seen all but two episodes, my overall feeling is that they don't want us liking Anne. I watched Episode 8 again last night, and the definite insinuation is that Katherine was poisoned with her approval. Then they show George (whom we're also suppose to hate) talking about not needing to poison Mary because she's so sick, and Anne is smiling that evil little smile of hers. There's no evidence she was involved in trying to poison either person. Katherine did in fact die of cancer. I think a good question for a new thread would be, "Did Henry really think Anne was guilty?" 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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42. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 20 2008, 10:30 PM EDT
"I see. I have to say on the series, Anne did a lot of mean things to reap what she sow, but after seeing episodes 7-9 especially 9 I was sick, and hate the way everyone played into her demise. The set-up was just pure ugly; Showtime had epi-9 almost hard to watch can you imagine this happening in reality. "I've often tried to imagine how horrible it was for Anne to be abandoned by Henry and so many other people and then accused of all those horrible lies. Also, imagine how horrible it was to know that George and those other men were going to also be executed and that she would never see her daughter Elizabeth again (in this life). Then imagine walking up that scaffold to your death on a beautiful May Day. And it all happened so fast. Anne was arrested, sentenced and executed in less than a month. Ironically, if you think about it, people are still spreading lies about her. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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43. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 20 2008, 11:57 PM EDT
"Yeah, Henry and Anne must have been pretty happy during the nine months she was pregnant with Elizabeth, but they just race through that. And now that I've seen all but two episodes, my overall feeling is that they don't want us liking Anne. I watched Episode 8 again last night, and the definite insinuation is that Katherine was poisoned with her approval. Then they show George (whom we're also suppose to hate) talking about not needing to poison Mary because she's so sick, and Anne is smiling that evil little smile of hers. There's no evidence she was involved in trying to poison either person. Katherine did in fact die of cancer.I also wondered why Katherine's servants weren't tasting her food for her? The one or 2 she had left were extremely dedicated to her. Divorced or not, she was still royalty. Do you find this valuable? |
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44. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 20 2008, 11:59 PM EDT
"Yeah, Henry and Anne must have been pretty happy during the nine months she was pregnant with Elizabeth, but they just race through that. And now that I've seen all but two episodes, my overall feeling is that they don't want us liking Anne. I watched Episode 8 again last night, and the definite insinuation is that Katherine was poisoned with her approval. Then they show George (whom we're also suppose to hate) talking about not needing to poison Mary because she's so sick, and Anne is smiling that evil little smile of hers. There's no evidence she was involved in trying to poison either person. Katherine did in fact die of cancer.He knew she wasn't guilty. He knew she was being framed and didn't care b/c it let him have his way. The "witnesses" didn't have that much to say and Cromwell made the rest up. Henry was done and she was out. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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45. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 21 2008, 1:42 AM EDT
"I also wondered why Katherine's servants weren't tasting her food for her? The one or 2 she had left were extremely dedicated to her. Divorced or not, she was still royalty."I'm pretty sure I've read that Katherine's servants were still tasting the food, because they were so convinced that somebody would try to poison Katherine. As you point out, she was still royalty. Regardless of her marriage to Henry, she would always be the daughter of Isabella and Ferdinand of Spain, the great Catholic princes. Do you find this valuable? |
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46. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 21 2008, 1:43 AM EDT
"He knew she wasn't guilty. He knew she was being framed and didn't care b/c it let him have his way. The "witnesses" didn't have that much to say and Cromwell made the rest up. Henry was done and she was out."I agree with you completely. Henry knew exactly what he was doing. Do you find this valuable? |
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47. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 21 2008, 6:40 AM EDT
I just got back in the US and I saw episode 9 (thank God for TiVo) and I am in shock!!! I literally thought I was going to vomit watching Mark being tortured (what a sweet man), Anne pleading with THE PIG (Henry), with Elizabeth in her arms and the the be-headings and Anne in so much emotional pain, watching innocent men die - It is just too much. I think Anne should have done a Lorena Bobbitt on Henry after her last miscarriage. A few years back here in Houston, a women cut off her boyfriend's 'tally whacker" because he was screwing around on her and she threw "it" in the back yard and the dog ate it!!!! (It was in the newspaper and I cut the article out and put it on the mirror in the bathroom for my husband to read. It scared the sh_t out of him. I don't think he'll be messing around.) I am not even sure if I will be able to watch #10 - To watch Anne die will just throw me in to orbit!! Is anyone else feeling Anne's pain? Please tell me I am not nuts!
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48. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 21 2008, 6:47 AM EDT
"I just got back in the US and I saw episode 9 (thank God for TiVo) and I am in shock!!! I literally thought I was going to vomit watching Mark being tortured (what a sweet man), Anne pleading with THE PIG (Henry), with Elizabeth in her arms and the the be-headings and Anne in so much emotional pain, watching innocent men die - It is just too much. I think Anne should have done a Lorena Bobbitt on Henry after her last miscarriage. A few years back here in Houston, a women cut off her boyfriend's 'tally whacker" because he was screwing around on her and she threw "it" in the back yard and the dog ate it!!!! (It was in the newspaper and I cut the article out and put it on the mirror in the bathroom for my husband to read. It scared the sh_t out of him. I don't think he'll be messing around.) I am not even sure if I will be able to watch #10 - To watch Anne die will just throw me in to orbit!! Is anyone else feeling Anne's pain? Please tell me I am not nuts! "No, you're not nuts. I haven't seen episode 9 yet, but I'm glad I've been warned. Several people have commented on how upseting that episode is. I was very upset by some of the stuff on episode 8; I can only imagine how I'm going to react to episode 9 and 10. Anne was treated so badly by Henry, and it bothers me that people like Phillipa Greogy are actually perpetuating some of the ridiculous charges that were brought against Anne to sell books! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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49. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 21 2008, 7:33 AM EDT
"I've often tried to imagine how horrible it was for Anne to be abandoned by Henry and so many other people and then accused of all those horrible lies. Also, imagine how horrible it was to know that George and those other men were going to also be executed and that she would never see her daughter Elizabeth again (in this life). Then imagine walking up that scaffold to your death on a beautiful May Day. And it all happened so fast. Anne was arrested, sentenced and executed in less than a month.For some reason on the 1st season, I could not stand Anne, b/c remember I never educated myself with accurate accounts on the Tudor history. To me season 2 has explained or shown that a lot of Anne’s issues were just b/c she was going through so much pain, and stress from Henry. Love will love the hell out of you & the other person sometimes! It was horrible what he put her through, and I thought he did KoA badly, but he was crueler towards Anne during their end. I think the show also wanted to raise curiosity of the poisoning rumors, but as a viewer I just thought they showed Katherine dying from an illness. At the time they would not have known of cancer, and of course Henry would suggest poisoning, and all her other enemies, but I believe she just talked about it out of her hatred or jealousy, but never acted on it. Though I understand Anne's position now, and empathize w/ her situation.... I do think that Anne was no innocent, but neither is Jane. Do you find this valuable? |
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50. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 21 2008, 7:37 AM EDT
"He knew she wasn't guilty. He knew she was being framed and didn't care b/c it let him have his way. The "witnesses" didn't have that much to say and Cromwell made the rest up. Henry was done and she was out."Exactly!!!! I can't stand Cromwell, and the man that plays his part in the series plays the heck out of the character. He plays a good rotten person.... the rat killed all those people when he knew they were innocent. Do you find this valuable? |
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51. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 21 2008, 7:41 AM EDT
"I just got back in the US and I saw episode 9 (thank God for TiVo) and I am in shock!!! I literally thought I was going to vomit watching Mark being tortured (what a sweet man), Anne pleading with THE PIG (Henry), with Elizabeth in her arms and the the be-headings and Anne in so much emotional pain, watching innocent men die - It is just too much. I think Anne should have done a Lorena Bobbitt on Henry after her last miscarriage. A few years back here in Houston, a women cut off her boyfriend's 'tally whacker" because he was screwing around on her and she threw "it" in the back yard and the dog ate it!!!! (It was in the newspaper and I cut the article out and put it on the mirror in the bathroom for my husband to read. It scared the sh_t out of him. I don't think he'll be messing around.) I am not even sure if I will be able to watch #10 - To watch Anne die will just throw me in to orbit!! Is anyone else feeling Anne's pain? Please tell me I am not nuts! "I read about that! Yes, that is what Henry needed...do you hear this Holly2 LOL. Yea at 12:00a midnight on demand...I don't know.....I am going to be sick. 9 was horrible. I can't even imagine watching 10 either. I don't want Anne to go, and of course did you see the previews he walking across the field with Jane kissing her while Anne is facing death. He will also hold Cromwell at knife point telling him he wants her (Anne) dead, and this over with. Do you find this valuable? |
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52. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 21 2008, 8:05 AM EDT
"I know, but it's so entertaining it's easy for me to get confused! I didn't know about Brereton, so thank you for letting me know that. I was fairly certain the affair between Mark and George was for the series. Can you tell me what happened to Thomas T? I read about him on a thread and I know he married and she died and then he married her sister, but where did he go on the show? Did I miss something?"Is Thomas Tallis who you're referring to? If so, he is considered the father of English music. As far as an affair with William Compton, it never happened. He was married once, but not to those sisters. The actor who played Tallis is pursuing a music career, so he was written off the show. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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53. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 21 2008, 8:11 AM EDT
"Is Thomas Tallis who you're referring to? If so, he is considered the father of English music. As far as an affair with William Compton, it never happened.I wonder why they would introduce the homesexual affairs if none of them were true...that didn't make any sense..when they should have been including things like Anne, Percy, and her trial. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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54. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 21 2008, 8:28 AM EDT
"I wonder why they would introduce the homesexual affairs if none of them were true...that didn't make any sense..when they should have been including things like Anne, Percy, and her trial."Good point. They''ve wasted a lot of time on these homosexual affairs while leaving out really important things that really happened. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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55. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 21 2008, 8:34 AM EDT
"For some reason on the 1st season, I could not stand Anne, b/c remember I never educated myself with accurate accounts on the Tudor history. To me season 2 has explained or shown that a lot of Anne’s issues were just b/c she was going through so much pain, and stress from Henry. Love will love the hell out of you & the other person sometimes!Well, it's just my opinion that they are making Anne nastier than she was so we'll empahize with Henry. I don't care if he is hot and played by JRM, I'll never identify with him. Besides, I know at that point the real Henry wasn't so hot. Plus, he was a cruel, psychotic, murderer, as far as I'm concerned. I may be so emotional about Anne's execution, plus there are some things going on in my personal life, and it's impacting how I view some aspects of the series. I'm not sure. Without going into a lot of detail, I do know that feeling of somebody turning on you and being totally unsupportive. Do you find this valuable? |
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56. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 21 2008, 8:55 AM EDT
"Well, it's just my opinion that they are making Anne nastier than she was so we'll empahize with Henry. I don't care if he is hot and played by JRM, I'll never identify with him. Besides, I know at that point the real Henry wasn't so hot. Plus, he was a cruel, psychotic, murderer, as far as I'm concerned.Oh, I told you I know someone that is A LOT like King Henry....imagine that!!! He just doesn't commit murder.... yet anyway, AND that is why I can identify as a woman what Anne was going through, and why she did some of the things she did do. I don't have any sympathy for Henry either or anyone like him. Leaving a lost cause (Henry) out of the equation....and speaking on Anne, sometimes you just have to overcome evil within yourself when you come across a freak like Henry. I do understand when that doesn't happen. I am a sucker for children, and the impact of the parent’s issues that can affect them. I just get mad at Anne's resistance towards Mary (Katherine’s) daughter. I don’t condone or dismiss how Anne treated her especially having a daughter herself. I refuse to let her live that down, but still no excuse for what happen to Anne either. Do you find this valuable? |
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57. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 21 2008, 3:03 PM EDT
"I just got back in the US and I saw episode 9 (thank God for TiVo) and I am in shock!!! I literally thought I was going to vomit watching Mark being tortured (what a sweet man), Anne pleading with THE PIG (Henry), with Elizabeth in her arms and the the be-headings and Anne in so much emotional pain, watching innocent men die - It is just too much. I think Anne should have done a Lorena Bobbitt on Henry after her last miscarriage. A few years back here in Houston, a women cut off her boyfriend's 'tally whacker" because he was screwing around on her and she threw "it" in the back yard and the dog ate it!!!! (It was in the newspaper and I cut the article out and put it on the mirror in the bathroom for my husband to read. It scared the sh_t out of him. I don't think he'll be messing around.) I am not even sure if I will be able to watch #10 - To watch Anne die will just throw me in to orbit!! Is anyone else feeling Anne's pain? Please tell me I am not nuts! "You're not nuts, far from it. I seriously considered not watching past Episode Seven. It's always painful for me to watch Anne's execution, whatever production it is, and Natalie Dormer has done such an amazing job that I anticipate it being even worse this time around. It was so heartbreaking in Episode Eight to watch Anne pray for the husband she loves, the father of her child and the man who is going to have her, along with five other innocent people, murdered so that he can marry Jane Seymour. Compared with Anne's real fear and worry, Jane outside on her knees in the dirt praying for the guy she's barely seen just didn't ring true, not for me, at any rate. The fact that Anne truly loves Henry makes it even more tragic, if that's possible. I haven't seen anything of Episode Nine yet apart from the scene where Anne pleads with Henry with little Elizabeth in her arms. Even if he was determined not to give her another chance and to stay married to her, I find it absolutely abhorrent that he is willing to kill the mother of his child, rather than simply annulling the marriage and letting her leave. I wonder if he just couldn't bear the thought that, once she was free, she might remarry and be happy with another man. In "Anne of the Thousand Days", Henry is shown offering Anne the opportunity to take Elizabeth and go abroad, promising that they will be well provided for if she agrees to annul the marriage but Henry is such a heartless frakker that I don't see him making even that concession - though I could see him dangling the prospect of a pardon and comfortable exile in front of her as an inducement to agree to an annulment, with no intention of following through on his promises. Do you find this valuable? |
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58. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 21 2008, 3:03 PM EDT
I really hope that they're not going to try to manipulate the audience into liking Jane Seymour by having her plead for Anne's life to be spared, or for little Elizabeth to be restored to favour next season. I'd really rather not have to choose between keeping a bucket by my side when I watch the show and avoiding food for four to six hours before each episode.
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59. RE: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9
May 21 2008, 3:17 PM EDT
"I wonder why they would introduce the homesexual affairs if none of them were true...that didn't make any sense..when they should have been including things like Anne, Percy, and her trial."Check out the Tudors fanfic on livejournal - http://community.livejournal.com/thetudors_fic/ - most of it centres around a homosexual pairing or pairings. Slash fic is quite popular, for a lot of shows, especially if they have a lot of prominent male characters, as this show does, so maybe the producers decided to capitalize on that. Do you find this valuable? |