Discussion: No Time Wasted with the Executions - SPOILER ALERT for Episode 9

"I am just speechless at the events of Episode 9. I hate Jane Boleyn and her ilk. Why did she turn on Anne when she KNEW George had been sleeping with Mark? I know she didn't get the answer she wanted from Anne when she went to her with her problem with George, but to say they were incestuous?

Anne told her Henry sucked in bed, so it wasn't as though she dismissed her without thought and it was obvious she was preoccupied with her own woes. Jane is a whiner and a traitor. George's treatment of her had nothing to do with Anne.

I had read that Jane Seymour took great delight in taunting Anne with the locket from Henry. I was glad when Ane jerked it off her neck and wanted to "box Madge's ears" when she gave it back to her.

I can say I was quite pleased to see Thomas Boleyn arrested; what a jerk! Also, where is Anne's mother? I just read an article that states:

"It was an account on Anne Boleyn's early childhood. It stated that Anne's Mother Elizabeth Howard Boleyn gave birth to the three Boleyn children and died of a fever in 1512. I knew this was inaccurate as recent history has found that Anne's mother lived until 1538 when she probably died from grief over her children's deaths".

Did William Brereton say he was guilty of adultery with Anne to martyr himself? He hated her and tried to kill her and knowing he was already doomed, did he just seal her fate?

Henry is so cold! I saw his armour at Windsor a year or so ago and it was from when he was older. I've never seen "fat" armour before! My heart just breaks for Anne; knowing everyone around her is dying to make her death valid.
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"I'll try to answer some of the questions.
1. I knew 3 courtiers were accused of adultery but I didn't realize he was one of them by name since his real name was something else.

2. He gave the rooms to the Seymours so he would have easy access to Jane and to let them know they were "in".

3. I believe he told her that b/c they had refused to betroth Elizabeth to the Duke of ? (sorry, my mind went blank)

4. I'm not sure what he told him, but it was definitely part of the set up.

They didn't even show Anne's trial. In truth, she was hyserical when she was arrested and even had trouble getting into the barge. I think that was why she tripped a little going down the stairs toward the tower.

I recently read something that I didn't know. Once Anne was executed, she was wiped off the royal map. In the palaces, her portraits were removed. Masons and carpenters removed her initials from everywhere they had been applied and seamstresses did the same with all sheets and cushions that had her initials on them. (This was from "Kings and Queens of England" by Brenda Ralph Lewis)."

"There is still evidence of A and H's entwined on the ceiling of the gateway to Hampton Court. I thought HA HA you tried to erase her and you failed."

"I am just speechless at the events of Episode 9. I hate Jane Boleyn and her ilk. Why did she turn on Anne when she KNEW George had been sleeping with Mark? I know she didn't get the answer she wanted from Anne when she went to her with her problem with George, but to say they were incestuous?

Anne told her Henry sucked in bed, so it wasn't as though she dismissed her without thought and it was obvious she was preoccupied with her own woes. Jane is a whiner and a traitor. George's treatment of her had nothing to do with Anne.

I had read that Jane Seymour took great delight in taunting Anne with the locket from Henry. I was glad when Ane jerked it off her neck and wanted to "box Madge's ears" when she gave it back to her.

I can say I was quite pleased to see Thomas Boleyn arrested; what a jerk! Also, where is Anne's mother? I just read an article that states:

"It was an account on Anne Boleyn's early childhood. It stated that Anne's Mother Elizabeth Howard Boleyn gave birth to the three Boleyn children and died of a fever in 1512. I knew this was inaccurate as recent history has found that Anne's mother lived until 1538 when she probably died from grief over her children's deaths".

Did William Brereton say he was guilty of adultery with Anne to martyr himself? He hated her and tried to kill her and knowing he was already doomed, did he just seal her fate?

Henry is so cold! I saw his armour at Windsor a year or so ago and it was from when he was older. I've never seen "fat" armour before! My heart just breaks for Anne; knowing everyone around her is dying to make her death valid.
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"I have read that Anne's mother was alive during all these events, and then I've also read that it was a stepmother. I don't know which is true. It's another one of those mysteries like Anne's birth. Either way, I've always been amazed how she has been completely ignored on the series.
I haven't seen Episode 9 yet, but I've seen the previews and it looks depressing. Regarding Brereton, I'm sure you know already that in real life he wasn't an assasin and he didn't confess to adultery with Anne. The only one who confessed was Smeaton after horrible torture. It's another of those cases of the series taking certain liberties."

"I haven't seen Episode 9 yet, but that's amazing that they don't show the trial. Do they perhaps show it in Episode 10? It was such an important part ofr Anne's downfall. I'll be amazed if they don't show it at all.
Also, I heard that Henry tried his best to get rid of all the HA initials, but that some of them can still be seen at the various historical sights."

"Thanks for clarifying that about the mother. I wonder why some people think she had a stepmother. Regarding the mother, she must have been devastated by what happened to two of her children. At least I'm assuming she was. She didn't live long after the executions, but then neither did the father.
I saw Episode 8 last night, and it is depressing. I won't say more since you're not finished watching it."

"Thanks for clarifying that about the mother. I wonder why some people think she had a stepmother. Regarding the mother, she must have been devastated by what happened to two of her children. At least I'm assuming she was. She didn't live long after the executions, but then neither did the father.
I saw Episode 8 last night, and it is depressing. I won't say more since you're not finished watching it."

"She never bothered with Mary again though, which I find strange."

"I am just speechless at the events of Episode 9. I hate Jane Boleyn and her ilk. Why did she turn on Anne when she KNEW George had been sleeping with Mark? I know she didn't get the answer she wanted from Anne when she went to her with her problem with George, but to say they were incestuous?

Anne told her Henry sucked in bed, so it wasn't as though she dismissed her without thought and it was obvious she was preoccupied with her own woes. Jane is a whiner and a traitor. George's treatment of her had nothing to do with Anne.

I had read that Jane Seymour took great delight in taunting Anne with the locket from Henry. I was glad when Ane jerked it off her neck and wanted to "box Madge's ears" when she gave it back to her.

I can say I was quite pleased to see Thomas Boleyn arrested; what a jerk! Also, where is Anne's mother? I just read an article that states:

"It was an account on Anne Boleyn's early childhood. It stated that Anne's Mother Elizabeth Howard Boleyn gave birth to the three Boleyn children and died of a fever in 1512. I knew this was inaccurate as recent history has found that Anne's mother lived until 1538 when she probably died from grief over her children's deaths".

Did William Brereton say he was guilty of adultery with Anne to martyr himself? He hated her and tried to kill her and knowing he was already doomed, did he just seal her fate?

Henry is so cold! I saw his armour at Windsor a year or so ago and it was from when he was older. I've never seen "fat" armour before! My heart just breaks for Anne; knowing everyone around her is dying to make her death valid.
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