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Lady_anne2
Lady_anne2
Anne's Maids
May 16 2008, 1:11 AM EDT
It's become very obvious that Anne's ladies in waiting are very disapproving of her time spent with her brother, George as well as Mark Smeeden. I know this will end up with Anne being accused of having an incestuous relationship with George. However, my question is; if her ladies are always so present, why can they not tell her interactions are not sexual in nature?

Anne would have to know that she is constantly watched. I want to slap Madge for those disapproving looks she gives; especially after sleeping with Henry; albeit at Anne's request.
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MsSquirrly
MsSquirrly
RE: Anne's Maids
May 16 2008, 10:04 AM EDT
Out of 60 ladies in waiting ...there were only 3 recorded who gave evidence against Anne, her brother & the other courtiers. Lady Worcester, Jane Boleyn & Nan Cobham. So the series is taking some dramatic license by showing Madge Shelton giving those looks. Madge and her sister Mary Shelton were cousins of Anne. There could have been others that weren't recorded.

At this time period there was a definite plan to get rid of the Boleyn Faction by the joining of both the Aragonese faction who supported Mary, the Seymour faction who were looking to supplant Anne with Jane and Thomas Cromwell who had his own agenda. The maids were probably recruited by one or several of these factions and depending on their sympathies would have testified against Anne despite knowing that her interactions were not sexual. There was a grain of truth that she was fond of each these men and it would have been elaborated to appear as more.
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Holly2
Holly2
RE: Anne's Maids
May 16 2008, 11:00 AM EDT
"It's become very obvious that Anne's ladies in waiting are very disapproving of her time spent with her brother, George as well as Mark Smeeden. I know this will end up with Anne being accused of having an incestuous relationship with George. However, my question is; if her ladies are always so present, why can they not tell her interactions are not sexual in nature?

Anne would have to know that she is constantly watched. I want to slap Madge for those disapproving looks she gives; especially after sleeping with Henry; albeit at Anne's request."
One possibility is that, while they may disapprove of the fact that Anne has male friends and is as close to her brother as she is, they don't suspect that it goes any further - unless they're profoundly stupid, they'd know that she isn't about to commit adultery/treason with them in the next room! Anne and Henry have so little privacy that neither could conduct any kind of affair without a third party knowing of it. Things like Anne adjusting her sleeve or kissing Mark on the cheek may stick in their memories and then, when Cromwell is orchestrating his foul investigation in preparation for Anne's "trial", they remember those incidents and they are used as "evidence" against her and her alleged lovers.

As far as Madge is concerned, I think that there's a touch of the green-eyed monster at play. Norris is courting her but his admiration of Anne is plain and it is for qualities that Madge is unlikely to share with her cousin. I doubt that she thinks that there's anything between Anne and Norris, not yet at any rate, but she may wonder if he likes Anne better.
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aragon77

aragon77
RE: Anne's Maids
May 16 2008, 12:09 PM EDT
"One possibility is that, while they may disapprove of the fact that Anne has male friends and is as close to her brother as she is, they don't suspect that it goes any further - unless they're profoundly stupid, they'd know that she isn't about to commit adultery/treason with them in the next room! Anne and Henry have so little privacy that neither could conduct any kind of affair without a third party knowing of it. Things like Anne adjusting her sleeve or kissing Mark on the cheek may stick in their memories and then, when Cromwell is orchestrating his foul investigation in preparation for Anne's "trial", they remember those incidents and they are used as "evidence" against her and her alleged lovers.

As far as Madge is concerned, I think that there's a touch of the green-eyed monster at play. Norris is courting her but his admiration of Anne is plain and it is for qualities that Madge is unlikely to share with her cousin. I doubt that she thinks that there's anything between Anne and Norris, not yet at any rate, but she may wonder if he likes Anne better."
Wasn't Madge (Anne's cousin), real name Mary Shelton in the series (Madge & Mary Shelton same person)? I think so, at least in the series b/c I remember Norris asking for permission to court her from the King. The King replied Mary Shelton...Oh you mean Madge.

The series is making it appear that the ladies are receiving the wrong message by walking in on the end of something w/o the fullness thereof (taking things the wrong way) which I think it’s a good play by the writers b/c it shows us that Anne really was innocent of the charges.
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MsSquirrly
MsSquirrly
RE: Anne's Maids
May 16 2008, 12:26 PM EDT
Not just the series, but even some historians have mixed up Mary & Margaret Shelton. From what I can tell Mary is actually the one who was Henry's mistress for a time in 1536 and then Frances Weston ( not Norris) was supposed to have ben involved with her. 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
aragon77

aragon77
RE: Anne's Maids
May 16 2008, 12:34 PM EDT
"Not just the series, but even some historians have mixed up Mary & Margaret Shelton. From what I can tell Mary is actually the one who was Henry's mistress for a time in 1536 and then Frances Weston ( not Norris) was supposed to have ben involved with her."
Got it, thanks! You are very right, he did say, Margaret Shelton. I promise I am going to read my book today, so I can get the right story b/c I get so confused on the series.
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Lady_anne2
Lady_anne2
RE: Anne's Maids
May 16 2008, 7:55 PM EDT
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The series is making it appear that the ladies are receiving the wrong message by walking in on the end of something w/o the fullness thereof (taking things the wrong way) which I think it’s a good play by the writers b/c it shows us that Anne really was innocent of the charges.

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I agree. It truly is scary when one realizes the people that are there to care for them can cause their undoing as well.

I HAVE to get the book! Someone asked me what I do, to which I replied, "I Tudor".
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Lady_anne2
Lady_anne2
RE: Anne's Maids
May 16 2008, 7:56 PM EDT
"The King replied Mary Shelton...Oh you mean Madge."

Every time I see that scene, I always think to myself, "Madge? Oh, you mean Madonna!"
:-D
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MsSquirrly
MsSquirrly
RE: Anne's Maids
May 16 2008, 8:14 PM EDT
"Someone asked me what I do, to which I replied, "I Tudor".
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LOL very good! I definitely Tudor
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Lady_anne2
Lady_anne2
RE: Anne's Maids
May 17 2008, 1:43 AM EDT
Yes, I would say you are the Top Tudor for certain! Do you find this valuable?    

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