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Discussion: Where is the Duke of Norfolk?
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 MsSquirrly |
Where is the Duke of Norfolk?
May 13 2008, 12:26 AM EDT Has anybody else noticed that Thomas Howard, the Duke of Norfolk is Missing? Last season he and Thomas Boleyn were a constant dastardly duo and now hes nowhere to be seen. This historical character is pretty important so what do you think happened? I wondered if the actor fell out with the producers since he was quoted in a newspaper article as saying : "To me(Norfolk) wasn't developed enough. Here was a courtier who outlasted the king and yet he seemed shadowy. I felt a lot could be done with this intriguer.I was told that scenes would be revised so I signed on. But nothing happened. We did the script as it was written" 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Holly2 |
RE: Where is the Duke of Norfolk?
May 13 2008, 1:44 PM EDT "Has anybody else noticed that Thomas Howard, the Duke of Norfolk is Missing? Last season he and Thomas Boleyn were a constant dastardly duo and now hes nowhere to be seen. This historical character is pretty important so what do you think happened? I wondered if the actor fell out with the producers since he was quoted in a newspaper article as saying : "To me(Norfolk) wasn't developed enough. Here was a courtier who outlasted the king and yet he seemed shadowy. I felt a lot could be done with this intriguer.I was told that scenes would be revised so I signed on. But nothing happened. We did the script as it was written""I've been wondering about that too. After all the scheming to get rid of Wolsey and to put Anne on the throne, you'd think that Norfolk would be at the heart of everything, reaping the benefits, at least at first, and that he'd also be worrying about what will happen if Henry tires of Anne and trying to distance himself from her. Of course, given how her father is treating her, maybe TPTB didn't want to victimize Anne even more by having her uncle also attacking her for losing her baby, etc. I was looking forward to a falling out between him and Boleyn; there were undercurrents of it in Season 1, when Boleyn smarmed that Norfolk would be the first man at court and Norfolk (rather patronizingly, if you ask me) promised that he would look out for Boleyn's interests. Boleyn looked like he wanted to remind him whose kid they were putting on the throne, and who'd be Henry's father-in-law. The official novelization also shows Norfolk's reaction to the scene in the 10th episode of Season 1, when Henry is sitting at the top table with Anne, her father and her brother, when he makes Boleyn an earl. Norfolk isn't sitting up with them and is pissed that the Boleyns are being set above everyone else, including his good self, even though he is one of the highest-ranking nobles in England. He doesn't like it that they're not dependent on him anymore. Through Anne, her father has become very influential and highly favoured and Norfolk isn’t amused. I'd have liked to see the fallout of that, the breaking apart of the dastardly duo - great name for them - with Boleyn vesting his ambitions in Anne at first and when she's in trouble, ditching her and running back to Norfolk to make sure that he doesn't fall with her. If there is a behind the scenes problem, that's a pity as Norfolk should be playing a major role in the Catherine Howard debacle, which definitely won't be the same without him. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
 miss49707 |
RE: Where is the Duke of Norfolk?
May 15 2008, 9:22 PM EDT In the last show of season 0ne Cromwell came to him and told him Henry wanted him to go and attend to his shipping business in....I am not sure lol Sorry bout that. They did it very quiet. We can only hope that since he presided over Annes trial that maybe he will make a return. Checked IMDB though and there was nothing about it. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Lady_anne2 |
RE: Where is the Duke of Norfolk?
May 16 2008, 12:49 AM EDT "In the last show of season 0ne Cromwell came to him and told him Henry wanted him to go and attend to his shipping business in....I am not sure lol Sorry bout that. They did it very quiet. We can only hope that since he presided over Annes trial that maybe he will make a return. Checked IMDB though and there was nothing about it."In the last show of season 0ne Cromwell came to him and told him Henry wanted him to go and attend to his shipping business in....I am not sure lol Sorry bout that. They did it very quiet. I also remember during the episodes when (I think it was then) The Sweat was killing everyone, someone mentioned to Henry that the Duke had asked permission to return to Court for some reason. Do you find this valuable? |
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Holly2 |
RE: Where is the Duke of Norfolk?
May 16 2008, 11:23 AM EDT "In the last show of season 0ne Cromwell came to him and told him Henry wanted him to go and attend to his shipping business in....I am not sure lol Sorry bout that. They did it very quiet.He was sent away in Episode Seven to oversee grain production - I was never sure if this was the actual reason or if it was a punishment for accusing Wolsey of theft (Henry was hardly going to send Anne's father away) - but he was back later on in the season. Do you find this valuable? |
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Lady_anne2 |
RE: Where is the Duke of Norfolk?
May 16 2008, 7:38 PM EDT Do you remember which edisode he returned in? Things like that drive me crazy and I really liked that actor. Do you find this valuable? |
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Holly2 |
RE: Where is the Duke of Norfolk?
May 16 2008, 7:46 PM EDT "Do you remember which edisode he returned in? Things like that drive me crazy and I really liked that actor."He was back by Episode Eight and present for the rest of the first season. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Lady.Perserverance |
RE: Where is the Duke of Norfolk?
Jul 31 2008, 7:37 PM EDT I heartily agree with you - he is a very important figure in Tudor history although I must admit - I don't care much for him - but from what I hear the show plans to recreate Henry's life through all six of his wives, this would require another largely persuasive character as 'uncle' to the young Katherine Howard. How is 'The Tudors' going to air Henry's life with Katherine Howard without the input of 3rd duke of Norfolk? It can't be done - unless they're going to go on a different road than history and take the hollywood route - which I find hard to beleive. ' Do you find this valuable? |
 Impish_Impulse |
RE: Where is the Duke of Norfolk?
Jul 31 2008, 8:20 PM EDT I was under the impression that the actor, Henry Czerny, had quit over personal or creative differences. So, they need to recast the part unless they're going completely off the rails, historically. I'm hoping they will recast, and his absence of late is to give the casual viewer a chance to be a little fuzzy about how he looked before they trot out the new guy. That's pathetic, I know; but for me, preferable to going forward with no Duke of Norfolk. Do you find this valuable? |
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Lady.Perserverance |
RE: Where is the Duke of Norfolk?
Jul 31 2008, 9:09 PM EDT "I was under the impression that the actor, Henry Czerny, had quit over personal or creative differences. So, they need to recast the part unless they're going completely off the rails, historically. I'm hoping they will recast, and his absence of late is to give the casual viewer a chance to be a little fuzzy about how he looked before they trot out the new guy. That's pathetic, I know; but for me, preferable to going forward with no Duke of Norfolk."That is a perfect explanation....that perhaps he left the show...and they want to give us some time to "forget" the exact face of the actor. For recasting purposes, that is a good way to play it. I'm convinced now that I think of it because I doubt Hirst is plans on being so irresponsible as to go completely off the grid with historical accuracy. You have the right idea Impish_Impulse. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Impish_Impulse |
RE: Where is the Duke of Norfolk?
Jul 31 2008, 10:19 PM EDT From our keyboards to God's ears! LOL Or even Michael Hirst's ears! Do you find this valuable? |