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Discussion: Elizabeth I v Mary Queen of Scots - opinions of them?
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 MissBrit |
Elizabeth I v Mary Queen of Scots - opinions of them?
Sunday, 2:52 PM EDT Elizabeth, it seems, did have some of her mother's attributes when it came to Mary, Queen of Scots, and although Elizabeth was a great queen, I do feel both Elizabeth and Mary were jealous of each other. Elizabeth had England, whereas Mary had married (3 times, but still) and a son. The fact that she signed the death warrant for Mary's execution was bad enough, as she was killing a queen. Mary was shown no mercy and beheaded with an axe, unlike Henry who did show Anne mercy, and allowed for her to have a quick execution with a sword. I have read Elizabeth adored her father, but little reference is made as to her opinion of her mother, but she was only 3 when Anne died, so I doubt she has many memories of her. I'm surprised she loved her father so, as he was responsible for Anne's execution. Mary, herself didnt have a good start, marrying the French dauphin at a young age, who suddenly dies, and the French Queen quickly wants Mary gone. So she returns to Scotland, marries Darnley, who was gay, but had his child, James VI of Scotland, and also the future James I of England. Then there was a conspiracy about her being involved with his murder. Then she marries Bothwell, who had, "supposedly", abducted and raped her and forced her to marry him. Whilst being held prisoner by Elizabeth, she miscarries his twins. Elizabeth and Mary never met in all those years. I do feel a bit of sympathy for Mary, even though she was after Elizabeth;s crown. But I guess, in the end, in death, she won as her son became king.... 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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RE: Elizabeth I v Mary Queen of Scots - opinions of them?
Sunday, 3:27 PM EDT I deeply admire both Elizabeth and Mary. Elizabeth for being an extremely kick ass, strong-minded and intelligent Queen and woman. Mary for having grace under pressure, a good deal of optimism, and just a very naturally sweet nature. Their upbringings made them who they were. Mary grew up a pampered and spoiled child, loved by all of those around her not to mention the physical comforts. She was visited by her mother and lived with other members of her family, and didn't really have many worries. As a result, she kind of expected that treatment from everyone around her, which she always had whilst she was in France. However, when she returned to Scotland people weren't willing to cut her any slack and she wound up over her head way to quickly. I don't think she plotted to have her second husband killed but I kind of like the idea that both she and Bothwell were framed and therefore stuck together. And I can pretty much feel her frustration, hurt, and anger over being imprisoned for 18 years for something she didn't do. It's horrifying and tragic and although I don't think it was wise, I don't blame her for plotting. Elizabeth, on the other hand, was born a fighter. Lets face it, even if Mother Dearest had lived I can't imagine Elizabeth's life being easy what with all the religious conflict and Mary and such. Her childhood and adolescence was dangerous and lonely-distant father, nonexistent mother, sleazy stepfather, conflicts and tensions with siblings, etc. She came out of it suspicious, intensely intelligent, careful as hell. I don't think she ever fully trusted anyone, ever. Both she and Mary loathed bloodshed but I think it was even harder on her because she lost so many to the block. I do believe she was genuinely tortured by Mary's presence and death and honest to god wished it wasn't her problem. I really feel for her, and understand her position. Do you find this valuable? |
 Hever |
RE: Elizabeth I v Mary Queen of Scots - opinions of them?
Sunday, 4:08 PM EDT I have to say personally for me I have alot of admiration for Elizabeth but not for Mary, I think Elizabeth was all round a a better woman and Queen. On the other hand we don't really know the truth of anything it was so long ago. Mary just seemed to make mistake after mistake, and I find it quite irritating. Then again would I have been much better. Do you find this valuable? |
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RE: Elizabeth I v Mary Queen of Scots - opinions of them?
Sunday, 10:58 PM EDT "I have to say personally for me I have alot of admiration for Elizabeth but not for Mary, I think Elizabeth was all round a a better woman and Queen. On the other hand we don't really know the truth of anything it was so long ago. Mary just seemed to make mistake after mistake, and I find it quite irritating. Then again would I have been much better."I must admit, I am bent to be more inclined to like Elizabeth overall, but I always try to remind myself that Mary, Queen of Scots, was a bit like Marie Antoinette. She was out of touch of those she was supposed to rule, and her education was not as rigorous as that of Elizabeth's. Additionally, I kind of get the feeling that Mary had a bad habit of making rash decisions, something that Elizabeth definitely had little issue with (she could decide about things for YEARS...and then when she decided, change her mind). Mary was tragic...but Elizabeth was simply the better ruler. Except, I must say, I think it is hilarious that it is told that Mary went out to play golf at St. Andrews after Darnley's death. Did this really happen? Do you find this valuable? |
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MissBrit |
RE: Elizabeth I v Mary Queen of Scots - opinions of them?
Monday, 7:11 AM EDT "I must admit, I am bent to be more inclined to like Elizabeth overall, but I always try to remind myself that Mary, Queen of Scots, was a bit like Marie Antoinette. She was out of touch of those she was supposed to rule, and her education was not as rigorous as that of Elizabeth's. Additionally, I kind of get the feeling that Mary had a bad habit of making rash decisions, something that Elizabeth definitely had little issue with (she could decide about things for YEARS...and then when she decided, change her mind). Mary was tragic...but Elizabeth was simply the better ruler.I had heard she went out hunting, not to play golf. I don't know though. I heard Mary was 6ft tall, now that was tall for a female, and more so in those days. Do you find this valuable? |
 Boudica |
RE: Elizabeth I v Mary Queen of Scots - opinions of them?
Monday, 1:04 PM EDT I have nothing against Mary on a person level, I just believe she wasn't as good a queen as Elizabeth. Granted comparing the two is a little unfair because they were women of different circumstance, as many of you have already outlined from the deatils of their parents, birth, and childhood (all very important). Mary was never as good an administrator as Elizabeth and she failed to capture the love of her people the way Elizabeth did. This wasn't all Mary's fault however, a lot of it had to do with being a vicitm of circumstance. For example, Mary spent most of her childhood years in France and married a foreign (French) prince and left her nation in her mother's charge (who was also French). Scotland was also in the midst of it's own Reformation and Mary was out of touch. Not only was she Catholic, but she refused to supress the Protestant faction and even for a times allowed her half brother James (who was leader of the Protestants) as her chief advisor. She became un-popular with both factions to the point that nobody in Scotland wanted her. Do you find this valuable? |