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jamais.de.fin_boleyn |
George
Apr 1 2008, 3:24 PM EDT
After reading The Other Boleyn Girl, i fell i love with George's sweet esscence and fun personality. He seemed like the the ultimate brother and flirty courtier. Does anyone else view him as a nice person that could be trusted? If i lived in Tudor England, i would deinatley befriend him quickly. What are your views on his person? 5 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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rpshaf |
1. RE: George
Apr 21 2008, 9:58 AM EDT
I also think he has a sweet esscence with enough of a bad boy aire. I would have befriended him, and would have been happy to be intimate firends.
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elizabeth83197 |
2. RE: George
Apr 21 2008, 10:53 AM EDT
"After reading The Other Boleyn Girl, i fell i love with George's sweet esscence and fun personality. He seemed like theHe does seem like a person who would be very trustworthy. A very devoted person. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Evanescence1984 |
3. RE: George
Jul 8 2008, 2:38 PM EDT
"He does seem like a person who would be very trustworthy. A very devoted person."I agree that he seemed friendly and caring and I felt bad for him when he was beheaded. The same with Anne. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Reggie19 |
4. RE: George
Feb 7 2009, 12:31 PM EST
I agree, i think George, realistically was more like the character depicted in the Other Boleyn Girl, because historically he was not a violent man at all, but he was in the Tudors, think they got him wrong!
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karenofbethany |
5. RE: George
Feb 7 2009, 1:10 PM EST
I don't see him as sweet or fun only because I have read that because he did not want to be married to Jane Rochford he was very cruel to her. Also that he was somewhat of a womanizer. I'd be afraid of befriending anybody because you never knew who the King was going to be mad at next, and you might be dragged off to the scaffold just for fraterinizing with someone out of favor! I agree that in the movie George looked sweet and innocent. Hope I don't sound like an old crone.
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Reggie19 |
6. RE: George
Feb 7 2009, 1:17 PM EST
"I don't see him as sweet or fun only because I have read that because he did not want to be married to Jane Rochford he was very cruel to her. Also that he was somewhat of a womanizer. I'd be afraid of befriending anybody because you never knew who the King was going to be mad at next, and you might be dragged off to the scaffold just for fraterinizing with someone out of favor! I agree that in the movie George looked sweet and innocent. Hope I don't sound like an old crone. "And from what i've heard she drove him demented, as far as i know he was desperate to seek an annulment from her because they hadn't consummated their marriage. She definitely wasn't innocent, her LIE got her husband and sister-in-law killed! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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karenofbethany |
7. RE: George
Feb 7 2009, 2:22 PM EST
"And from what i've heard she drove him demented, as far as i know he was desperate to seek an annulment from her because they hadn't consummated their marriage. She definitely wasn't innocent, her LIE got her husband and sister-in-law killed!"Angelosdaughter has all the low-down on George and Jane. I think he did not want to marry her and the marriage was forced by his father? At any rate, it's been alleged that he did not want to go to bed with her, and elsewhere, that she was always chasing him to get him into bed? Other threads have discussed his alleged homosexuality and wiki members generally think that is un true and unsubstantiated. Angelosdaughter says Jane never really "told" on George at all. I guess there is a new book about her where there is more factual information. What is inferred is that she was jealous of George's very close and intimate relationship with his sisters - especially Anne - and that's where some fiction writers go off the deep end having George sleep with Anne and having Jane bent on revenge...IMO the bad guy is Thomas Boyelyn, I think he was a bad father and nothing is known much about their mom. So any faults Anne, Mary and George had I tend to chalk up to dysfunctional dad. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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angelosdaughter |
8. RE: George
Feb 7 2009, 3:41 PM EST
"Angelosdaughter has all the low-down on George and Jane. I think he did not want to marry her and the marriage was forced by his father? At any rate, it's been alleged that he did not want to go to bed with her, and elsewhere, that she was always chasing him to get him into bed? Other threads have discussed his alleged homosexuality and wiki members generally think that is un true and unsubstantiated. Angelosdaughter says Jane never really "told" on George at all. I guess there is a new book about her where there is more factual information. What is inferred is that she was jealous of George's very close and intimate relationship with his sisters - especially Anne - and that's where some fiction writers go off the deep end having George sleep with Anne and having Jane bent on revenge...IMO the bad guy is Thomas Boyelyn, I think he was a bad father and nothing is known much about their mom. So any faults Anne, Mary and George had I tend to chalk up to dysfunctional dad."In the record nothing of the nature of Jane's and George's marriage is documented except that they were close in age, and status, in some documents the details of their marriage settlement. It probably was an arranged marriage, but the fact that the two were close in age is unusal in that time, so they may have been compatible, we just don't know. There exists a letter from Sir William Kingston, Constable of the Tower to Cromwell in which Kingston details a message that Jane had asked him to convey to George in his prison. She asks how George is, and promises to 'humbly make suit unto his highness' (Henry) on George's behalf.. George replied, saying to 'give her thanks...for I think I may not (otherwise) come forth until I come to my judgement.'. If she had brought George down, it is unlikely that Jane would be promising to intercede for him. If he thought she did, it is unlikely he would have made any reply to her message. There is no documentation that the marriage was happy or unhappy. As George and Jane were peripheral characters on the Tudor stage, their life is just not very well documented until they come to the forefront during the Boleyn trials and for Jane alone the Katherine Howard affair. In fact, there is no record of Jane being either an infomant or a witness in the Boleyn trials. Jane was questioned as was anyone else who was close to Anne. The evidence against her was not given by Jane but by Lady Wingfield a one time friend of Anne, named in the notebook of Sir John Spelman one of the judges.on her deathbed. Another contemporary witness, John Husee names a Lady Worcester as the chief informant. There was no reticence in naming informants, so if Jane had been, her name would have been mentioned. Jane is not mentioned by name at all anywhere during the trials. Continued below... Do you find this valuable? |
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angelosdaughter |
9. RE: George
Feb 7 2009, 3:45 PM EST
"In the record nothing of the nature of Jane's and George's marriage is documented except that they were close in age, and status, in some documents the details of their marriage settlement. It probably was an arranged marriage, but the fact that the two were close in age is unusal in that time, so they may have been compatible, we just don't know. There exists a letter from Sir William Kingston, Constable of the Tower to Cromwell in which Kingston details a message that Jane had asked him to convey to George in his prison. She asks how George is, and promises to 'humbly make suit unto his highness' (Henry) on George's behalf.. George replied, saying to 'give her thanks...for I think I may not (otherwise) come forth until I come to my judgement.'. If she had brought George down, it is unlikely that Jane would be promising to intercede for him. If he thought she did, it is unlikely he would have made any reply to her message. There is no documentation that the marriage was happy or unhappy. As George and Jane were peripheral characters on the Tudor stage, their life is just not very well documented until they come to the forefront during the Boleyn trials and for Jane alone the Katherine Howard affair. In fact, there is no record of Jane being either an infomant or a witness in the Boleyn trials. Jane was questioned as was anyone else who was close to Anne. The evidence against her was not given by Jane but by Lady Wingfield a one time friend of Anne, named in the notebook of Sir John Spelman one of the judges.on her deathbed. Another contemporary witness, John Husee names a Lady Worcester as the chief informant. There was no reticence in naming informants, so if Jane had been, her name would have been mentioned. Jane is not mentioned by name at all anywhere during the trials.The only possible evidence she might have given (and the only reason she is even connected with it was that as George's wife she was the only other person besides Anne and George who was likely to have been told), was probably intimidated or tricked out of her. (Again, though, she is never mentioned as the source of the evidence). As George's wife she might have revealed a husband-wife conversation in which George may have related to Jane that Anne had told him the King was impotent. That was the information which George read aloud in court from a piece of paper and sealed his fate. He had been told to read it silently. Until he read it aloud, everyone thought he would be freed. If you want to learn what little there is to be known of the George and Jane Boleyn marriage, borrow Julia Fox's "Jane Boleyn the True Story of the Infamous Lady Rochford". Fox is a meticulous researcher; there just isn't much actual documentation of George and Jane until the fall of Anne Boleyn, and in the case of Jane alone, the fall of Katherine Howard. Much of what we think we know about George and Jane comes from dramatizations in which there is a lot of dramatic license which comes from the fact that there is so little historical fact known about their marriage and one small note in the margine of work by John Foxe, apoligist for the Protestant Martyrs. a clergyman wrting long after the fact to ingratiate himself Anne's daughter, Elizabeth I. In his "Actes and Monuments", and in only one edition (1576). Julia Fox is not even sure that John Foxe is the author of the note. She says it could have been added by the printer. The note says"It is reported of some that this Lady Rochford forged a false letter against her husband and Queen Anne her sister by the which they were both cast away. which if it be so, the judgement of God is here to be marked." The note did not appear in the original 1563 edition of the work. Do you find this valuable? |
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karenofbethany |
10. RE: George
Feb 8 2009, 12:20 AM EST
"The only possible evidence she might have given (and the only reason she is even connected with it was that as George's wife she was the only other person besides Anne and George who was likely to have been told), was probably intimidated or tricked out of her. (Again, though, she is never mentioned as the source of the evidence). As George's wife she might have revealed a husband-wife conversation in which George may have related to Jane that Anne had told him the King was impotent. That was the information which George read aloud in court from a piece of paper and sealed his fate. He had been told to read it silently. Until he read it aloud, everyone thought he would be freed.See, I knew Angelosdaughter would check in and sort it all out for you. Do you find this valuable? |
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angelosdaughter |
11. RE: George
Feb 8 2009, 12:37 AM EST
"See, I knew Angelosdaughter would check in and sort it all out for you."Well, after that recommendation, Karen, I just couldn't resist, but I wish I could make my posts a bit shorter. I just don't know how to do that and get all the information in. Do you find this valuable? |
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karenofbethany |
12. RE: George
Feb 8 2009, 10:18 AM EST
"Well, after that recommendation, Karen, I just couldn't resist, but I wish I could make my posts a bit shorter. I just don't know how to do that and get all the information in. "I think you do a great job, like Fraser...lots of members are wanting information but don't have the books at hand, don't know which books to read, etc. As busy as I am, I've really appreciated the information obtained from you and my other 2 main "sources" (semper and squirrly). You keep it up, and lots of the wiki fans who log on because of the show will start reading more, I am sure. I mentioned you on a couple of new threads asking for some basic info and am hoping these gals will either go back a few threads or look you up. Do you find this valuable? |
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charlucy |
13. RE: George
Apr 12 2009, 6:14 PM EDT
I don't know if i will have befriend him or you might have ended up on the chopping block with him Anne and their friends, nope i perfer to be alone
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Maggie-AnneB. |
14. RE: George
Apr 12 2009, 6:27 PM EDT
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"After reading The Other Boleyn Girl, i fell i love with George's sweet esscence and fun personality. He seemed like theI think that he was a nice guy. Womanizer can mean so many different things: he was a jerk to the ladies, or he slept around with a lot. I've been friends with "jerky" guys, so if he was a jerk to women, I think I would have gotten along well with Ol' Georgie! And I am really good friends with a Man Whore, so I would have gotten along well with George if he was like that too. There isn't that much known about him, George, as a person. He was the perfect courtier, and they were suppose to be great guys... Suppose to be... Do you find this valuable? |
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hrm_elizabeth |
15. RE: George
Apr 16 2009, 2:53 AM EDT
"After reading The Other Boleyn Girl, i fell i love with George's sweet esscence and fun personality. He seemed like theI agree with you strongly. I have read about George Boleyn, and not once have I ever been made to believe that he was the kind of man depicted on "The Tudors." I believe that he was a very respectful, kind, and considerate individual & courtier opposed to the violent, ill tempered, rapist that we see on the show. Do you find this valuable? |