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aragon77
60. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Apr 22 2008, 4:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 22 2008, 4:35 PM EDT
I don't see it that way at all. Anne was picking a fight, and wanting Mary to except her position which is being insecure. Why do you need anyone to validate who you are especially if you're queen. I would have reacted worse than Mary, and not b/c my little sister was given my title, but b/c my father appears to not show his love or affection for me anymore. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Boudica
Boudica
61. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Apr 22 2008, 4:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 22 2008, 4:41 PM EDT
"I don't see it that way at all. Anne was picking a fight, and wanting Mary to except her position which is being insecure. Why do you need anyone to validate who you are especially if you're queen. I would have reacted worse than Mary, and not b/c my little sister was given my title, but b/c my father appears to not show his love or affection for me anymore."
Well I guess in AB and Henry's case, for Mary to openly dispute the legitmacy of their marriage was in violation of the Act of Supremacy, which is a treasonable offense, I think. In retrospect, Henry could have been even harsher with her then he had, which would have been terrible. :(
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Holly2
Holly2
62. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Apr 22 2008, 5:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 22 2008, 5:09 PM EDT
"His conscious and pulling material out of the bible was an excuse to get what he wanted (divorce). Contradiction to himself, on one hand he did quote out of leviticus, but then he killed men of the cloth "cleregy". "
I think that Henry's conscience was his most obedient subject. By this point in the story, he has thoroughly convinced himself that his marriage to Katherine was never valid and that he was right to take control of the church in England.
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aragon77
63. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Apr 22 2008, 5:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 22 2008, 5:16 PM EDT
"Well I guess in AB and Henry's case, for Mary to openly dispute the legitmacy of their marriage was in violation of the Act of Supremacy, which is a treasonable offense, I think. In retrospect, Henry could have been even harsher with her then he had, which would have been terrible. :("
True. I look at how my relationship is with my father, and I can't imagine such a thing. I did notice though like you stated, he could have been harsher b/c she did go against the act.
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curlyrain
curlyrain
64. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Apr 22 2008, 5:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 22 2008, 5:45 PM EDT
"I don't see it that way at all. Anne was picking a fight, and wanting Mary to except her position which is being insecure. Why do you need anyone to validate who you are especially if you're queen. I would have reacted worse than Mary, and not b/c my little sister was given my title, but b/c my father appears to not show his love or affection for me anymore."
I so agree with this she was picking a fight and was condescending to Mary; and I agree on why she needed to be validated as who she was she was not very secured in her position by having a girl and not a male heir...I like how Sarah Bolger delivered in this particular performance calling Anne to her face the Mistress and not a Queen this one Mary won. Both Natalie and Sarah deliver... can't wait to see more from everyone they are all very talented.
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SemperEadem
SemperEadem
65. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Apr 22 2008, 6:39 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 22 2008, 6:39 PM EDT
"Sorry, I meant to say "shouldn't have". :)
Here's a review that contrast Denny's book on Anne to Eric Ives (who I much prefer)
http://www.atlantisjournal.org/Papers/29_1/PdePando.pdf
"Mary, Catherine’s daughter, is portrayed as histrionic, childish and stubborn; she is said to be full of fears for her safety and well-being, which Denny rejects as unsubstantiated, although they proved real according to historical evidence (see Starkey 2004: 443-445, 515-522).Probably the most unconvincing feature of Denny’s book is her startling perpetuation of religious clichés. All Catholics are evil and plotting, and all Protestants are saintly and unjustly persecuted....""
Ooh, I definitely love Ives' book. When it comes to historiography, I prefer Ives to Denny, too, a lot because of the religious cliches mentioned above. Ives is a force in Anne Boleyn literature, and his article pieces on her place in reformation history are great reads, if you are interested. :-D
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MsSquirrly
MsSquirrly
66. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Apr 23 2008, 11:34 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 23 2008, 11:34 AM EDT
"I don't see it that way at all. Anne was picking a fight, and wanting Mary to except her position which is being insecure. Why do you need anyone to validate who you are especially if you're queen. I would have reacted worse than Mary, and not b/c my little sister was given my title, but b/c my father appears to not show his love or affection for me anymore."
The rivalry between Anne Boleyn and Princess Mary was WAY more than just a stepmother's insecurity. There were political factions at work and Mary had support from Spain and the catholics which threatened Anne's existence. It was also very brave of Mary to stand up to Anne because it could mean her own imprisonment and possible death. The court was rife with power plays between the political factions. Anne understood court politics very well and knew she needed to bring Mary to "heel". Ironically it wasn't the catholic faction (and Mary) but Thomas Cromwell who was the architect of the coup against the Boleyns.
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Boudica
Boudica
67. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Apr 23 2008, 11:44 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 23 2008, 11:44 AM EDT
"The rivalry between Anne Boleyn and Princess Mary was WAY more than just a stepmother's insecurity. There were political factions at work and Mary had support from Spain and the catholics which threatened Anne's existence. It was also very brave of Mary to stand up to Anne because it could mean her own imprisonment and possible death. The court was rife with power plays between the political factions. Anne understood court politics very well and knew she needed to bring Mary to "heel". Ironically it wasn't the catholic faction (and Mary) but Thomas Cromwell who was the architect of the coup against the Boleyns."
You said it perfectly, Squirrly! Yes, it's definately hard for a young woman like Mary to just "accept" Anne as queen when she has factions led by people like Ambassador Chapyus and her very godly mother, Katherine, telling her that Anne and her father are not only wrong but GOD is on Mary's side!
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aragon77
69. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Apr 24 2008, 9:05 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 24 2008, 9:05 AM EDT
"I think that Henry's conscience was his most obedient subject. By this point in the story, he has thoroughly convinced himself that his marriage to Katherine was never valid and that he was right to take control of the church in England.I"
You're right as we all have been guilty of doing so, making what we believe "truth". IF you believe you will achieve, and being a religious person I know you can tell yourself, (your conscious) that I am going to do this or that b/c I am being obedient, and that's not the case at all.
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aragon77
70. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Apr 24 2008, 9:07 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 24 2008, 9:07 AM EDT
"Please tell me that you are joking!
Beauty and brains to boot?

For one, she's total make-up! And second, brains? The girl isn't a smart cookie, and that's a fact!

I'm sure she'll f*** up Mary and the Tudors beyond reason!"
I disagree, and with I'm with Boudica on this SB worked the hell out of her part.
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aragon77
71. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Apr 24 2008, 9:09 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 24 2008, 9:09 AM EDT
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I guess we'll have to wait and see, now won't we? What sort of actress would you have liked in the role instead?
At least she took the time to do some actual research on her character rather than relying only on past performances or popular misconception of Mary Tudor.

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I love how you redirect the question as who would you have liked to play the part instead great choice of statements.
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aragon77
73. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Apr 24 2008, 9:12 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 24 2008, 9:12 AM EDT
"Sarah is dating my lovey (Freddie Highmore)

Therefore I hate her, and I'm very curious about everything she does "
To quote elizabeth1, "isn't that crazy", or even having stalking tendencies?
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aragon77
74. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Apr 24 2008, 9:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 24 2008, 9:23 AM EDT
"The rivalry between Anne Boleyn and Princess Mary was WAY more than just a stepmother's insecurity. There were political factions at work and Mary had support from Spain and the catholics which threatened Anne's existence. It was also very brave of Mary to stand up to Anne because it could mean her own imprisonment and possible death. The court was rife with power plays between the political factions. Anne understood court politics very well and knew she needed to bring Mary to "heel". Ironically it wasn't the catholic faction (and Mary) but Thomas Cromwell who was the architect of the coup against the Boleyns."
Your right I agree.
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elizabeth83197
elizabeth83197
75. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Apr 24 2008, 11:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 24 2008, 11:26 PM EDT
"Please tell me that you are joking!
Beauty and brains to boot?

For one, she's total make-up! And second, brains? The girl isn't a smart cookie, and that's a fact!

I'm sure she'll f*** up Mary and the Tudors beyond reason!"
I think is makes a wonderful Lady Mary.
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DarkLadyWitch11
DarkLadyWitch11
76. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Jun 11 2008, 4:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2008, 4:22 PM EDT
Sarah bolger is mary, she totally grasped the role as the little girl with child mary.
she turns mary into a human being.
and I am glad that they dont put her as this sour, super conservative over mad evil or ugly girl
I was rather impressed with the series with this mary, her appearence is more belieable, although her hair was more red than what they show there, but still her characters make mary real, you beleive she is mary not just a girl playing the role
and I hope we get to see more from her in the near future.
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Boudica
Boudica
77. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Jun 11 2008, 4:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2008, 4:37 PM EDT
"Sarah bolger is mary, she totally grasped the role as the little girl with child mary.
she turns mary into a human being.
and I am glad that they dont put her as this sour, super conservative over mad evil or ugly girl
I was rather impressed with the series with this mary, her appearence is more belieable, although her hair was more red than what they show there, but still her characters make mary real, you beleive she is mary not just a girl playing the role
and I hope we get to see more from her in the near future."
Yes, I've been very pleased with Sarah's performance too. Can't wait to see her in Season 3 with her interaction with her stepmother Jane! I think this is a great role for Sarah and the role of Mary is lucky to have a fresh, young actress like Ms. Bolger taking the reigns in this series. It truely is a win-win.
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DarkLadyWitch11
DarkLadyWitch11
78. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Jun 11 2008, 9:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2008, 9:59 PM EDT
Oh definetly boudica I think this is a huge role for this actress, and the character has been becoming more and more important and her performance a very very good one.
yeah you are right she does take the reign on this series, and the fact portraying her as human, a girl who was lost all love and will try to raise elizabeth, and get along with new stepmother as she is bound to have a bigger role there, will make us get more interested in this character

I wonder will she appear on the credits of season 3 as a main character?
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LNor19
LNor19
79. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Jun 12 2008, 2:08 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2008, 2:08 AM EDT
"I wonder will she appear on the credits of season 3 as a main character?"
I couldn't begin to tell you how happy that would make me. A accurately portrayed Mary, which they have been doing so far, would be a step forward as far as the media apsect of Mary goes.
I watched 'Elizabeth' with Cate Blanchett the other day....the portrayal of Mary was just terrible. Also, to those who have seen it....was Mary's 'short helper person' supposed to be Jane Grey's deformed sister or was that just some weird gimmick they threw in?
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Boudica
Boudica
80. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Jun 12 2008, 10:02 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2008, 10:02 AM EDT
"I couldn't begin to tell you how happy that would make me. A accurately portrayed Mary, which they have been doing so far, would be a step forward as far as the media apsect of Mary goes.
I watched 'Elizabeth' with Cate Blanchett the other day....the portrayal of Mary was just terrible. Also, to those who have seen it....was Mary's 'short helper person' supposed to be Jane Grey's deformed sister or was that just some weird gimmick they threw in?"
I don't think the little person was Mary Grey (I think she was a huntch back rather than "dwarf") or a wierd gimmick. Both Mary and Elizabeth (there's one in Elizabeth: the Golden Age as well) had "royal dwarfs", little persons dressed in clothing of their ladies and gentlemen in waiting who were basically there for amusement purposes, many of them were "fools" or jesters as well. It was actually pretty common in European courts to have "royal dwarfs" as harsh as it sounds.
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aragon77
81. RE: Hello "lady" mary!
Jun 12 2008, 3:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2008, 3:47 PM EDT
"Henry could have been even harsher with her then he had, which would have been terrible. :("
You right about that especially with it being your child and all.
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