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Cinefila
Cinefila
Margaret is a fake character
Jan 22 2008, 8:09 PM EST
As this character is completely "made up" there is no reason to support it. Or to waste my time or my fellows fans here to look up for information.
Please consider reviewing it. The sooner the better. If not you wiil be mocked, and it would be a pity, the TV show is somehow based "on factual history" adhere to it or rather take the time to think about writing a screenplay of your "own".
I know, I know, it more risky and difficult, well...life is not easy.!! With all due respect.
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nolimetangere
nolimetangere
RE: Margaret is a fake character
Jan 22 2008, 8:44 PM EST
Actually, she wasn't a fake character. Henry VIII did indeed have a sister Margaret who was married to James V of Scotland. It was Mary. Henry's younger sister who, after marrying King Louis XII of France, then married Charles Brandon! 8  out of 8 found this valuable. Do you?    
jamais.de.fin_boleyn
jamais.de.fin_boleyn
RE: Margaret is a fake character
Jan 22 2008, 8:50 PM EST
She was real. It's a fact. Read up on it. nolimetangere is correct. There might not be to much info on her floating around... but its there. She was as real as Henry himself. 5  out of 7 found this valuable. Do you?    
Cinefila
Cinefila
RE: Margaret is a fake character "in the TV serie"
Jan 22 2008, 9:19 PM EST
You did not understand my message, so I apologize. I know that she (Margaret Tudor eldest to Henry VII) existed but sher DID NOT married the King of Portugal so the facts depicted ON the show, do not match the "factual history". She was born in 1489 and married James IV (b.1473 d.1513) on August 8th 1503, so she was 14 (fourteen) and James was 30 (thirty). Was a wiodw by 1513 as James was killed during the battle of Flooden Field. Get my point? 3  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    
Cinefila
Cinefila
RE: Margaret is a fake character On the Tv show
Jan 22 2008, 9:20 PM EST
"Actually, she wasn't a fake character. Henry VIII did indeed have a sister Margaret who was married to James V of Scotland. It was Mary. Henry's younger sister who, after marrying King Louis XII of France, then married Charles Brandon!"
Yes but a little diff than the "story" on TV. Just that.
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Ladyparr06
Ladyparr06
RE: Margaret is a fake character
Jan 22 2008, 9:20 PM EST
and because there are so many people with the same first names. People get the facts confused as to who was who... Do you find this valuable?    
nolimetangere
nolimetangere
RE: Margaret is a fake character "in the TV serie"
Jan 22 2008, 9:33 PM EST
Sorry! you are right! It was james IV!! Always get my numbers mixed up! Do you find this valuable?    
jamais.de.fin_boleyn
jamais.de.fin_boleyn
RE: Margaret is a fake character "in the TV serie"
Jan 22 2008, 10:18 PM EST
oh! so confusing when people have the same names! Sorry for the misunderstanding ya'll! Do you find this valuable?    
GarterBooth
GarterBooth
RE: Margaret is a fake character "in the TV serie"
Jan 27 2008, 9:53 AM EST
THe reason for the joining of the name and story of Mary and margaret is a simplistic story line, to explain the who senario would take seveal episodes, and as the Field of the Cloth of gold took place early on in the series, where it took place after Mary's marriage to Louis XII it was nessersary to create another elderly king therefore we get portugaul. Also the actual Margaret was married before henry VIII came to throne, and was killed by English soildeirs. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
nolimetangere
nolimetangere
RE: Margaret is a fake character "in the TV serie"
Jan 27 2008, 11:20 AM EST
Margaret wasn't killed, but her husband, King James IV was murdered during the battle if Floddon. Henry was away campaigning some war in France and his wife Katherine of Aragon was Regent. It was under her rule that the battle was planned and put into place. She then sent James IV bloodstained coat to Henry in France as proof of James death. Katherine's victory over James IV was infact far more of an achievement than Henry's in France!! 6  out of 6 found this valuable. Do you?    
GarterBooth
GarterBooth
RE: Margaret is a fake character "in the TV serie"
Jan 28 2008, 10:17 AM EST
"Katherine's victory over James IV was infact far more of an achievement than Henry's in France!!"

It was in fact a victory of the Earl of Surrey, Thomas Howard, who was restored to the Dukedom of Norfolk, to become the 2nd duke.
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nolimetangere
nolimetangere
RE: Margaret is a fake character "in the TV serie"
Jan 28 2008, 11:05 AM EST
Maybe so, but it was it was achieved with Katherine as Regent - a female, that made it so momentous! So some of the glory has to go to her as well, especially during a period which was so patriarchal! 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
DarkLadyWitch11
DarkLadyWitch11
RE: Margaret is a fake character "in the TV serie"
Jan 28 2008, 11:24 AM EST
I agreee nolimtangere
anyway Margaret could have had much more potential in the series but she was clouded by others, and Charles was a nasty character
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GarterBooth
GarterBooth
RE: Margaret is a fake character "in the TV serie"
Jan 29 2008, 10:58 AM EST
Charels was a man of his time. it was common that men had mistresses and it was not frownd upon by society. Indeed she could have had a larger role however it woudl have confused things and by the time the divorce started 'Mary' who married Suffolk, did stay away from Court and did not like Anne Boleyn. Do you find this valuable?    
Cinefila
Cinefila
RE: Margaret is a fake character "in the TV serie"
Jan 29 2008, 8:19 PM EST
"THe reason for the joining of the name and story of Mary and margaret is a simplistic story line, to explain the who senario would take seveal episodes, and as the Field of the Cloth of gold took place early on in the series, where it took place after Mary's marriage to Louis XII it was nessersary to create another elderly king therefore we get portugaul. Also the actual Margaret was married before henry VIII came to throne, and was killed by English soildeirs. "
I have to remind you that a WHOLE chapter was dedicated to "consumption", it was even very boring!!!, this approach is a pity and is commented all over the WWW. We can not avoid it by saying they were trying to be simplistic. You know better than that.
And now I see they made changes in the main page:-o
My kindest regards
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nolimetangere
nolimetangere
RE: Margaret is a fake character "in the TV serie"
Jan 29 2008, 11:12 PM EST
yes, Margaret died of consumption, but I don't think it was blown out of proportion, because in those days it was a very common illness. Henry's bastard son, the Duke of Richmond died of it as did many others during that period. I think it was brought into the scene to find a way to remove Margaret and allow Charles Brandon's character to go from lewd strength to lewd strength. I also think it was done in a rather simplistic manner. One moment Margaret is dancing at court, the next, she is coughing up blood. She dies, the end. Now all we can do is wait and see what Charles gets up to... 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
MsSquirrly
MsSquirrly
RE: Margaret is a fake character "in the TV serie"
Jan 30 2008, 1:31 AM EST
The creator & writer of "The Tudors" has said that he has written a " a soap opera based on historical material".....and judging by the page of inaccuracies to the real tudor story, I think we can safely say that this show is not meant to be a stuffy factual account of this period in history. Hence there are some fake characters and changes have been made to some. On the whole I think they have made this period of time relatable to us today which is why it has been so popular. I think its actually fun tudor fans to find the inaccuracies and the basic story line is still there. History was changed because of a king's obsession. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
TheLittleMrs.

TheLittleMrs.
RE: Margaret is a fake character "in the TV serie"
Jan 30 2008, 2:01 PM EST
I understand that this is all a fictional show that uses some history for a story line. I understand why they felt that they should combine the sisters (Mary and Margaret) into one character. But by doing so, they messed up so much history!! I love the show,and I'm completely addicted to it, but they kind of shot themselves in the foot. Without Mary, there is not Frances Brandon and therefore no Lady Jane Grey (who was Queen for 9 days between Edward and Mary, for those who didn't know). It also messes up the entire line through Margaret. With no Margaret, there is no Mary, Queen of Scots (that Queen Elizabeth I was afraid would take her throne) and no James I, who did take the throne after Queen Elizabeth. They may decide to end the show before that ever comes around, but really Queen Elizabeth I was the last Tudor to be on the throne before the Stuart Dynasty (starting with James I). (And I personally would love to see the show make it all the way through Elizabeth's reign.) 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
MsSquirrly
MsSquirrly
RE: Margaret is a fake character "in the TV serie"
Jan 30 2008, 3:51 PM EST
"I understand that this is all a fictional show that uses some history for a story line. I understand why they felt that they should combine the sisters (Mary and Margaret) into one character. But by doing so, they messed up so much history!! I love the show,and I'm completely addicted to it, but they kind of shot themselves in the foot. Without Mary, there is not Frances Brandon and therefore no Lady Jane Grey (who was Queen for 9 days between Edward and Mary, for those who didn't know). It also messes up the entire line through Margaret. With no Margaret, there is no Mary, Queen of Scots (that Queen Elizabeth I was afraid would take her throne) and no James I, who did take the throne after Queen Elizabeth. They may decide to end the show before that ever comes around, but really Queen Elizabeth I was the last Tudor to be on the throne before the Stuart Dynasty (starting with James I). (And I personally would love to see the show make it all the way through Elizabeth's reign.)"
Great Points! I was hoping the show would continue all the way to Elizabeth too My guess is they are just going season to season but you would think they would have thought further.
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lettice
lettice
RE: Margaret is a fake character
Jan 31 2008, 11:39 AM EST
Yes! The character of Margaret was fake. Henry did have a sister Margaret, but she married the King of Scottland, not Portugal.
His sister Mary was married to a much older king, was widowed (but not by commiting murder) and married Charles Brandon.
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