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Discussion: Wolsey
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 queen_elizabeth_1533 |
Wolsey
Jan 20 2008, 11:08 AM EST I think Sam Neill was a good choice for Wolsey. He looks just like him (at least, from the portraits I've seen of the real Cardinal Wolsey), and he does a good job acting just like I would imagine Wolsey to act. 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Ladyparr06 |
RE: Wolsey
Jan 22 2008, 9:39 PM EST I love Sam Neill. I watch everything he is in. I liked how the show depicted that he had a lady and she was with him for years, even though he was not suppose to. The look on his face when he gave the castle to Henry ..that was priceless... 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
 DarkLadyWitch11 |
RE: Wolsey
Jan 25 2008, 6:37 PM EST He is such a good actor and makes a believable acting experience that you believe who he is YOu normally see him as this ok kidn of guy in jurassic park and many other movies, and here is an SOB, and that is why he is such great, because he makes you believe it is real whoever he plays from likeable hero in Jurassic Park to SOB and then pity cardinal in the tudors. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Tudor_Obssessed |
RE: Wolsey
Jan 26 2008, 1:34 PM EST I like Sam Neill also. He did a very good job in the Tudors. I also felt very sorry for him towards the end, but he brought most of that on himself by doing the things that he did. And we can't forget that Anne was VERY instrumental in his downfall. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
 GarterBooth |
RE: Wolsey
Jan 27 2008, 9:56 AM EST What I like about sam neil and Cardinal Wolsey in this is his final scene when he is praying to god before he commmits suicide, although there is no proof of this, as Wolsey is supposed of ill health, I think it is a very good spin on the whole story, and that it was a cover up by Cromwell. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
 MsSquirrly |
RE: Wolsey
Jan 27 2008, 10:06 AM EST Yes I agree with you. After all Wolsey was on his way to be tried for treason....he knew what the outcome would be and he has seen enough executions to know that he didn't want to go that way. Its entirely possible he decided to end it all himself and then his family covered it up as "ill health". I love the way Neil plays him with that controlled quiet type of voice until he knows he is lost and we see him turning desperate. Do you find this valuable? |
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Tudor_Obssessed |
RE: Wolsey
Jan 27 2008, 1:41 PM EST It's interesting to consider, and puts a very good spin to the show, but he was Catholic and these were very religious times (the Reformation and so forth). If you commit suicide then, as most Catholics believed back then, you would go to Hell. Also, why would the king cover it up, if in suicide cases, all property and possessions went to the king in suicide cases? Now, there were instances of self-killing in which the case was covered up. But Wolsey was 55 yrs. old when he died. That's old by medieval standards, and he was already sickly. Do you find this valuable? |
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MsSquirrly |
RE: Wolsey
Jan 27 2008, 3:02 PM EST Oh I don't think the King would cover it up but his family certainly would and if he was sickly ....why not end it all eh? Do you find this valuable? |
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Tudor_Obssessed |
RE: Wolsey
Jan 27 2008, 10:59 PM EST Wow. I absolutely cannot believe I found this: http://englishhistory.net/tudor/priwols1.html It's a primary source that suggests Wolsey committed suicide. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DarkLadyWitch11 |
RE: Wolsey
Jan 28 2008, 10:15 AM EST well I guess wolsey is a reminder to us all, that whether you are anne , catherine or thomas whatever, if you are polititian then you are going to be a corrupt since most men you are going to work and things to be done for the good of the country's economy and stability need to be done through corrupt ways. the bad side of wolsey is england was stable with him, but he was TOO corrupt in the end, what he should have done is not give himself to much to make it less obvious, and he won to many enemies because of that, and because he was not of noble descent. anyway SAM NEILL, is one of the best actors in the TUDORS cast!! He , even more then JRM made the Tudors more worthwile best wishes sam!! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DarkLadyWitch11 |
RE: Wolsey
Jan 28 2008, 10:20 AM EST TUDOR OVSSESED you asked why would not the king reveal suicide there is several reason, one is sentimental the other one is political the political you might be bored so I will explain the sentimental one, the truth is he - THE king VIII- saw kind of like a father figure in this persona, even although he was an SOB, face it he was, so he if not a father figure, he Henry had a certain respect for the man and could have done it out of pitty. second: POLITICAL: SHORT VERSION NOT TO BORE YOU: if he let out that wolsey had killed himself , Imagine the scandal! not only because a cardinal of the Holy Church blessed took his life into his own hands, but people would hate and rebel against Henry more then in the coming years, possibly this time in catastrophic meassures, maybe not as much as French Revolution type, but bad anyways, so what would happen first everybody would blame Henry and Protestant faction like Cromwell, like saying 'oh you were his secretary and you stabbed him in the back!! you made a poor ill man kill himself' to the king they would blame and he would be seen as a worse ogre and his reputation would be even more stained. so maybe that is why he did not say anything. my guess 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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GarterBooth |
RE: Wolsey
Jan 29 2008, 11:06 AM EST add to that dark lady, the chances of the Papacy steeping up their involvment in English affiars. Another reason for the suicide, is remember wolsey said, 'if he had served god as well as the king he(God) would not have given him over in his grey hairs' or words to the effect. If Wolsey believed that god had abbondened him already why not commit suicide. p.s. just a note and not to be bitchy, but DarkLadyWitch, your arguement woudl be better exspressed if the words such as 'like' did not appear, I am not a 50 year old man but at 22, I use the word in conversation, i just think it weakens the flow of a very well put arguement. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
 lettice |
RE: Wolsey
Jan 31 2008, 2:54 PM EST Yes, Anne was very instrumental in his downfall, but so was the King. Wolsey couldn't deliver the divorce. The pope was the captive of Charles V (Queen Catherine's nephew), so Rome was not about to rock the boat. Wolsey was extremely frustrated and Sam Neill played this beautifully as I believe the real Wolsey was an unsavory bully who became desperate when he realized he couldn't deliver what the king wanted. I don't believe he committed suicide as the series depicts; that was for dramatic effect. Wolsey was spared being tried for treason as he died of natural causes. I don't believe Henry VIII gave it much thought, as Wolsey was no longer of use to him. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DarkLadyWitch11 |
RE: Wolsey
Feb 10 2008, 2:47 AM EST Garterbooth you are not bitchy, bitchy would be being in my highschool and being the girl who pushed me down the stairs and put me the satanic bible to get kicked out of school. that's bitchy you are practice anyways, when he said that is because if he had served God and be a good man he would be killed earlier, but since he served the King through corrupt ways like MANY he survived longer. He took his life maybe because he thought of his family he even acknowledged that he deserves it. oh and by the way little mmm duh but I am not native to ingles language if you know what I mean. English is one of my languages but not the language I was born so forgive me if I screw up, I will try bettter. I think Wolsey is ashow that in the end no matter how corrupt, mean they are they still have a human side. Which I was surprised to see on Wolsey It was very sad, but hey he had his reason, maybe henry did because of political and sentimental reasons. Do you find this valuable? |