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| Hstory buffs! Have you sniffed out a few historical inaccuracies or mysteries within The Tudors drama? Whether minuscule or huge, catalogue them here to see how the show sizes up against British history. |
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| Cardinal Wolsey commits suicide while in prison. Episode #: 10 | Cardinal Wolsey died of an illness en route to London to answer the charges of treason held against him. Year: 1529 | |
| Henry Fitzroy dies at a young age from sweating sickness. Episode #: 5 | | |
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| Princess Margaret kills the King of Portugal. Episode #: | | |
| | Princess Mary and Charles Brandon have three children during their marriage. By re-writing history, The Tudors wrote out the existence of Lady Jane Grey, the descendant of Mary, Henry's younger sister, an important historical character, as well as Mary Queen of Scots -- an essential historical character and the descendant of Margaret, Henry's older sister. Of course without Mary Queen of Scots, her son James wouldn't have existed either, who reigned after Elizabeth I, from 1603 to 1625. Year: Henry (1516), Frances (1517), Leonor (1519). Note: Frances Brandon married Henry Grey (1551 became 1st Duke of Suffolk) and had three daughters (Lady Jane Grey, Lady Catherine Grey, and Lady Mary Grey). Lady Jane Grey would end up being "Queen Jane" for only nine days before Mary took the throne. | |
| | In actuality, no ones knows how long King Henry VIII was with Mary. She is never mentioned in contemporary reports and we only know of her because of the dispensation Henry got when he wanted to marry Anne, her sister, which meant he slept with Mary. It is more likely that the affair was brief. Most historians do not believe he fathered two children with her, Catherine and Henry. Many historic figures claim Mary Boleyn as an ancestor, including Charles Darwin, Winston Churchill, and Lady Diana Spencer, the Princess of Wales. After her first husband's death in 1528, Mary was left with massive debts that her husband left. It was Anne who came to her aid, she arranged her nephew to be educated at a Cisterean monastery and secured for her sister an annual pension of 100 pounds. Year: Henry Carey (1524), Catherine Carey (1526) | |
| Episode #: All | Anne Boleyn was never referred to as beautiful in any documents or chronicles of her day except for her eyes, which were considered beautiful and which she knew how to use. Many writers of the time disparaged her physical appearance, but as it has been said, such an ugly, unattractive woman would hardly have caught the King's eye and held his enraptured attention all those years. Perhaps one of her attractions for Henry was her education. She had an extensive education which normally would have been reserved for a royal princess being groomed to marry extremely well. Most girls of Anne's social status could barely write their own names. Note: the contemporary writers who described Anne as ugly, were either affiliated with the Spanish, the Emperor Charles V, or her enemies within the English court, to those who loved her she was "handsome", "sweet and cheerful" to her enemies she was "the google eyed whore". For a wonderful portrayal of Ann Boleyn, see Genvieve Bujold in "Anne of the Thousand Days". She even has the French accent that Ann would have picked up in the French court. Genvieve is French-Canadian. She makes Ann more sympathetic, and I find it hard to be sympathetic to Anne Boleyn Year: N/A | |
| Musician Thomas Tallis joins the Chapel Royal very early in his life and career. Episode #: 1 | Thomas Tallis joined the Chapel Royal in his mid- to late-thirties. (His birth date is unknown; best guess is sometime between 1505 and 1510.) It is true that he went right from Canterbury Cathedral to the Chapel Royal, but prior to his brief stay in Canterbury, he had held appointments at Dover Priory; St. Mary-at-Hill, Billingsgate; and Waltham Abbey. Year: c. 1543 | |
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| Bessie Blount was married when she conceived Henry FitzRoy. Episode #:1 | Bessie Blount delivered Henry FitzRoy in 1519 but did not marry Gilbert Tailboys (a marriage arranged by Henry VIII himself) until 1522. Year: 1519, 1522 | |
| Katherine of Aragon is dark-haired and olive skinned Episode #: All | Katherine of Aragon was red-haired and blue-eyed. Year: N/A | |
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| Henry VIII has no beard. Episode #: All | Henry VIII's beard was an in-today-out-tomorrow kind of thing until he began having trouble with Anne Boleyn, she hated him with a beard so he wore it for the rest of his life. It has also been said that in May of 1535 Henry decided to grow a beard in the same style of Francis I. Year: 1520 | |
| Catherine of Aragon | Katherine of Aragon, her name is spelt with a "C" not a "K" NOTE: Incorrect posting above: Letters signed by Katharine herself were signed as "Katharine the Queen". Contributed by IMN2Tudors. NOTE: in Spanish her name would have been spelled with a "C", "K" is the English spelling NOTE: she was born "Catalina de Aragón y Castilla o Catalina de Trastámara y Trastámara" en Alcalá de Henares, Spain and your name is always the same, should not be translated. NOTE: While names would not normally be translated, Katherine's was changed to show her as Queen of England. It proved that she put that title above being a Princess of Spain and made her more accepted by the English people. | |
| Wheeled carriages are used by the court | People traveled on horseback or in litters, not wheeled carriages. They were 17th century. NOTE TO POSTING: on one hand I can not assure they travelled "on wheels" but carriages with wheels appeared at least in ancient Mesopotamia bet. the years 3.500 bc and 3.000 bc. There are no contemporary descriptions of a litter on which to go on therefore film and TV are left to make an artistic choice. The inaccuracy has more to do with the type of carriages depicted, not whether they were used as conveyances. As a practical matter, carriages weren't used much for human transportation (especially the nobility) because springs and leather slings weren't in use during the period depicted. As a result, they were VERY uncomfortable to ride in. The carriages used in the series are 18th (perhaps late 17th) century vehicles. The post above is correct in that there were no wheeled “carriages” in 16th century England. However, there was a wheeled vehicle sometimes used by the aristocracy for travel. It was called a whirlicote, also sometimes called a chariot. Think of it as a large rendition of a child’s wagon (no springs or suspension of any kind), sometimes covered with a top, with the horses lead or ridden rather than driven from the vehicle. | |
| Princess Mary still looks 6 in 1528 | Princess Mary was 12 in 1528 | |
| Anne Boleyn is referred to as "Lady Anne" when she and her sister are still at the French court in Episode 2, and also when she first appears at Henry's court. In later episodes she is sometimes referred to as Mistress Boleyn | When Anne was at the French court and later when she made her first appearance at Henry's court, her proper title would have been Mistress Boleyn. She did not become "Lady Anne" until her father was created Lord Rochford, at which point it would have been incorrect to refer to her as Mistress Boleyn. | |
| Cardinal Wolsey commits suicide in Episode 10. | Cardinal Wolsey died of natural causes. NOTE TO POSTING: This is listed above, and while that is certainly what history records, the series does allow for this by Henry's order that no one is to ever know of the suicide. Thus this is an obviously contrary fact done with intent. | |
| In Episode 1 Henry's uncle "Courtenay" is murdered in Rome by French agents. | Henry didn't have an uncle. His father Henry VII was an only child, and his mother's two brothers, the famous Princes in the Tower, disappeared in 1483. It is generally presumed that they were murdered by Richard III. However William Courtenay was married to Henry's Aunt Catherine of York. He died of pleurisy in 1511. | |
| Anne Boleyn is the muse who inspires many of Thomas Wyatt's greatest poems, including "And wilt thou leave me thus?" and "They flee from me. that sometime did me seek." | Actually Wyatt loved quite a few women. Only a couple of his poems are generally accepted by scholars as having been inspired by Anne Boleyn. One is the famous "Whoso list to hunt" (an adaptation of a sonnet by Petrarch) . The other refers to Anne as "Brunet, that did set my wealth in such a roar." Originally the line was "Brunet, that did set our country in such a roar," but Wyatt changed it to make the allusion to Anne less obvious. | |
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| In one of the early episodes Thomas Boleyn is referred to as being from "an old family." | In fact, the Boleyns were parvenus who married well. Thomas Boleyn's wife Elizabeth was the Duke of Norfolk's sister; hence his alliance with the Howards. | |
| Henry seems still to be quite young when he first becomes infatuated with Anne Boleyn, while his wife Katherine is well into her middle years. | In fact, Henry was well into his thirties when he fell for Anne. Katherine was 6 years older than Henry, making her about 40 at the time. As for Anne, she may have been in her late teens or mid-twenties depending on whether you accept 1501 or 1507 as her year of birth. | |
| George isn't really mentioned, although he and Anne were very close. His marriage isn't mentioned either. EDIT: His marriage to Jane Parker is depicted in episode 2.7, including a rape scene after their marriage. | Anne's brother George was actually married to Jane Parker before Henry fell for Anne. While a rape can be disputed, Jane Parker was the historic character who testified against George and Anne, claiming the two had a sexual relationship. | |
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| Henry Fitzroy is seen to be born about the time the Duke of Buckingham was executed. | Henry Fitzroy as born in 1519, and the Duke of Buckingham was executed in 1521. | |
| Edward Stafford (Duke of Buckingham) tries to stab Henry VIII and is executed. | He was arrested and executed based on probably unfounded accusations that he tried to prophesy the King's death. | |
| Henry's sister, the Duchess of Suffolk, dies of consumption while Henry is still struggling to obtain his divorce from Catherine of Aragon. | Mary, Duchess of Suffolk, died in the summer of 1533, shortly after Anne Boleyn's coronation. | |
| | This type of musket was not invented until 1630, a century later. | |
| The Palace of Whitehall is shown as the home of Henry from the beginning of the series. | The Palace of Whitehall only fell into Henry's hands in 1530, after he removed Cardinal Wolsey from power. Up until this point in time, it was called York Palace. The Palace was not referred to as Whitehall Palace until as much as a decade after. | |
| Pope Alexander is depicted as on his death bed at the time of The Field of Cloth of Gold meeting between Henry & Francis in 1520. Cardinal Orsini is depicted as being elected following the death of the fictional Alexander. | The actual Pope at that time, Leo X, died suddenly at the very end of 1521. There had not been a pope named Alexander since 1503, before the beginning of Henry's reign. Adrian of Utrecht was elected to succeed Leo, and following his death just a year later, Cardinal Medici became known as Pope Clement VII. He was the one who refused to permit Henry's divorce. | |
| Mary and George Boleyn are not shown very often. NOTE: George Boleyn is in 8 of the 10 episodes in Season 1. He and Anne are portrayed as obviously very close through the whole series (see the episode in which Anne has the sweat, and the ones in which she receives letters from Henry that George tries to read, too). George is present as often as a brother can be while his sister forms a relationship with another man. | They would have been with Anne most of the time. | |
| Thomas Tallis is shown playing a pipe organ alone in episode # 7. As the camera pans over the instrument, it shows all of the stop knobs in the same position. Tallis requests to be left alone, and is shown briefly standing on an organ pedal board. | Any Tudor organist could not have worked alone, as any pipe organ, regardless of size, would have required at least one other person to pump the bellows in an era before electric blowers. Likewise, the instrument depicted could not make any sound without one of the 'stop' knobs drawn, which are all clearly 'closed' (in the same position) in the scene. There is also no evidence of an organ having a pedal board in England until the very late 17th or 18th century. | |
| The woman by the name of Joan that Tallis meets in episode 7 dies shortly after of the sweating sickness; and he then courts her sister. | Tallis married a woman by the name of Joan in 1552. | |
| | There were five serious epidemics of sweating sickness (or "English Sweat") in England during the reign of the Tudors. The worst was in late May of 1528, which was actually a pandemic that also spread into Scandinavia, Russia, Holland, Poland, Lithuania, and Switzerland. The disease was so rampant in London that King Henry fled court, frequently changing where he stayed to avoid being exposed to infection. Sir William did in fact die from sweat during the 1528 outbreak. Anne Boleyn was rumoured to have caught the disease and survived, as well as her father and her brother George. William Carey, Mary Boleyn's first husband, was one of the thousands across England who died of the sweat that year. The epidemic that hit Oxford and Cambridge occurred in 1517. | |
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| | Since the series killed off Fitzroy's character much earlier than he actually died, his titles were granted earlier and quicker than they occurred in real life. Fitzroy was given the title of Knight of the Garter at age six in 1525. Almost two months later, he was given the titles of Earl of Nottingham and the Duke of Richmond (which Henry VII held before he was king). He was also made Admiral of England, Ireland, and Normandy, as well as Lieutenant of Ireland later on. When he died at age seventeen, Fitzroy held an income that made him the richest man in England second to the king. Despite being granted his grandfather's title of the Duke of Richmond, Fitzroy's ennoblement in 1525 was not meant to demote Princess Mary's position as next in line to the throne. The reason why Mary was sent to Ludlow was not because of Wolsey's scheming against Katherine, but because King Henry had made Mary Princess of Wales in 1526, and she was sent to rule the principality as the first and only woman to do so in her own right. | |
| When Henry asks Elizabeth Blount how her husband feels about their tryst, she says that he threatened to send her to a nunnery. Episode: 1 | It was Elizabeth Fitzwalter, one of Henry's first known mistresses, who was actually sent to a nunnery after her husband discovered she was sleeping with the king. At the time, Katherine of Aragon was pregnant with their second child, a boy who would die two months after birth.Year: 1510 | |
| In episode 2, Henry, Wolsey, and the rest of his court go to France to sign the "Treaty of Universal and Perpetual Peace" at the Palace of Illusions constructed by Francis I's artisans. The Treaty would not only create an Anglo-French alliance between Henry and Francis, but also allow the creation of "pan-European institutions" and a NATO like condition set where violators of the peace will be rejected as belligerents. | The event the episode alludes to is The Field of Cloth of Gold which took place for three weeks in June 1520 between the French towns of Guines and Ardres. The name of the meeting got its name from the pavilions constructed out of cloth of gold. The meeting did not result in an alliance between France and England, as no treaty was signed, much less a treaty promising "universal and perpetual peace" in Europe. "Pan-European-ism" is a fairly modern concept that was born out of the creation of the European Community in 1957 and the European Union in 1993. There were earlier examples of intergovernmental-ism in Europe before the 20th century, but they were not supported or masterminded by Henry VIII. | |
| As season 1 continues, trumpet fanfares are heard any time the king enters a hall. | The trumpet of that era, a cornet, did not have valves as modern trumpets do, and had different piping. That means the sound was not so bright and would not have rung that clearly and cleanly (or so perfectly in tune, especially in that key). The intervals are also too small and frequent to be playable without valves. Also, the fanfare is an amalgam- based on the overture to l'Orfeo by Monteverdi (1605) and the first trumpet voluntary by Purcell (end of the 17th century) | |
| In episode 1.10, More sentences Simon Fish, author of Supplication for the Beggars to death and watches him burn at the stake. | Simon Fish was arrested on charges of heresy but died in 1531 of bubonic plague in prison before his trial. In November of 1531 a book peddler was burned named Richard Bayfield, who's death was similar to the fictional one of Fish portrayed in The Tudors (he prayed in English while burning) The series was correct to state that Thomas More had 6 people burned (but Fish was not one of them) for heresy during his Chancellorship and also had 40 others imprisoned. | |
| Henry has sex with Marguerite, sister to King Francis, to get back at her brother and because she was visiting England as a prisoner of Charles. | | |
| The princess Mary has dark hair. | Mary's natural hair color was actually red like her father and mother, although she dyed her hair various colors during her adult years. | |
| Charles Brandon marries his 17 year-old ward, Catherine Brooke. Episode: 2.1 | | |
| Margaret, Sir Thomas More's eldest daughter, is depicted as a teenager in season one, and in her mid to early twenties in season two. | Margaret More (1505 - 1544) would have been in her late twenties during the time season one took place, and in her early thirties in season two. Additionally, Margaret was married to William Roper in 1521. | |
| Pope Paul III has been elected at the beginning of season two, and suggests the benefit of arranging the assassination of Anne Boleyn. Episode: 2.1 | Pope Paul III was elected October 13, 1534 (after Anne Boleyn's coronation). There no historical basis for an assassination attempt against Anne Boleyn, much less one arranged by the Vatican or Charles V (though they certainly wouldn't have been sorry to see her go if it had happened that way). | |
| The violin solo in episode 2, season 2 | The actor was not using a strong enough bow to produce much sound- baroque and pre-baroque instruments required a fast-pulled bow, as well as slightly stronger pressure, for higher dynamics. The actor was also not using the right fingerings. Nor the accurate shoulder placement for pre-baroque playing. | |
| Henry VIII writes Greensleeves in his frustration over Anne Boleyn. Episode 1.9 | It is not really known if Henry VIII did write Greensleeves, although it is popularly accredited to him. For the musical style of the piece, it fits better during the time of Elizabeth I. Some music historians believe it was written about a man in love with a woman who was a prostitute. | |
| Lady Margaret Bryan introduces herself to Lady Mary Tudor as if they had never met before. Episode 2.4 | Lady Margaret Bryan was well acquainted with Lady Mary since she served Mary before as her governess. In fact, Lady Bryan helped raise all three of Henry VIII's royal children and was awarded the title of Baroness for her troubles. | |
| Thomas Cromwell shows a wide eyed George Boleyn a machine "it's called a printing press, my lord. And it will change the world." Episode 2.6 | The printing press had been introduced to England by William Caxton in 1476, since then hundreds of printed books and documents had been circulating through out England. George Boleyn would have been aware of what a printing press was and its significance to the Reformation, even if he hadn't before seen one. | |
| Henry Norris speaks to the King about his interest in Madge Shelton Episode 2.6 | In actual fact it was Francis Weston who was rumoured to be having an affair with Mary Shelton ( called Madge in the series) | |
| Pope Paul III doesn't have a beard. | | |
| Pope Paul III tells William Brereton that he has created the order of the Jesuits and asks Brereton to join. Episode 2.4 | The Society of Jesus, or the Jesuits, were not created until September 1540 when Pope Paul III signed the papal bull Regimini militantis Ecclesiae. The original order was limited to 60 members with Ignatius of Loyola elected as the Superior General. Brereton was never a member and was dead before the society was even formed. | |
| | It was historically recorded that both Anne and Henry wore yellow and reveled after hearing of the former Queen's demise. Note: Yellow is the color of mourning in Spain which is appropriate for the death of a Spanish daughter. | |
| | In actuality, Elizabeth Darrell bore Wyatt 3 sons and outlived him. Also as a Catholic, she would not have done so because it would be a cardinal sin and one for which she would be forever damned according to her beliefs | |
| Princess Elizabeth Tudor joins her "papa" and "mama" in the gardens, but the child is too old to be the real princess at this time. The child actress was at least 4. | Elizabeth was born in September 1533, and "mama" was beheaded in May 1536, so she was 2-1/2 when her mother was executed. | |
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| wexcat | How do you correct the historical inaccuracies? | 15 | Monday, 12:12 PM EDT by angelosdaughter | |
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I'm bugged because the "historical inaccuracy" site has an inaccuracy. Katharine of Aragon DID have an English ancestor, but it was not Katharine of Lancaster. Her English ancestor was John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster, 3rd son of Edward III. His second wife was Constance of Castile, whose parents were the deposed King and Queen of Castile. He married her to get a throne for himself and spent much of their 22 year marriage in fruitless efforts to regain it. They had one surviving child, a daughter named Catalina, who he married to the son of the "Pretender" King of Castile, making his daughter the Queen of Castile upon the death of the "Pretender". I'm skipping those names. Katherine of Aragon's English ancestor was therefore John of Lancaster. His 3rd wife was his life long mistress, Katherine Swynford. There is a '50s historical romance novel about her (and him) titled KATHERINE by Anya Seton and Alison Weir recently published a book in England titled KATHERINE SWYNFORD, which I'm just now finishing. The Plantagenets (the first being Henry II, married to Eleanor of Aquitaine), had reddish hair. Henry VII Tudor and his wife, Elizabeth of York (Henry VIII's parents), are both descended from John and his 3rd wife, Katherine, who had 4 "bastards", later legitimatized by the Pope and Richard II. Katherine Swynford, Duchess of Lancaster, would just "die" to read she is Katherine of Aragon's ancestress!!
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| queen_elizabeth_1533 | Inaccuracies (page: 1 2) | 21 | Apr 4 2008, 11:44 AM EDT by Boudica | |
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I think that even though it's entertaining to watch a show like this with all it's variances from history, the viewers should at the same time learn a little something about the way it really was, just so they don't get the wrong idea. The Tudor Era was fascinating without the little embellishments the show adds, and as a Tudor fan, although I love watching movies and shows about my favorite people, such as Anne Boleyn and Katherine of Aragon, I think it's important to not get too wrapped up in the fictional.
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