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"Lady Jane (with Helena Bonham-Carter, I have not seen this yet)

I have seen this film and it's very good."

It`s on youtube, albeit in 10 minute segments, but the whole film is there. Well worth a look.

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"Elizabeth R is on youtube I think it is split into 5 acts but I am only on II so I dont know for sure how far it goes. "

It's in 6 Episodes
The Lions Cub.
The Marriage Game
Shadow in the Sun
Horrible Conspiracies
The Enterprise of England
Sweet Englands Pride

They are 85 minutes each.

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Oh yeah I remember seeing a very tiny clip of Henry meeting her and her family for the first time. I wish there was more of it on the internet though. Her Jane was very beautiful to say the least.

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I definitely prefer Elizabeth to The Tudors. The only thing that was wrong with Elizabeth was its blatant lies and destruction of history. I saw that movie when I was a kid, and when I started reading the history I couldnt figure out why it didnt match with the book. Huh? What? Why is William Cecil serving Elizabeth until he dies? I thought Robert Dudley tried to kill Elizabeth? What's going on? Now there are still people out there who don't read the history and believe what they see.
Elizabeth wasn't nearly as bad as The Golden Age when it came to Catholics. I hate the "Elizabeth is a bastard, a heretic, she has no right to rule" mentality of Rome and Spain but for the love of gawd what is up with them hiding in dark corners, always in shadow, always wearing black? Its like a new modern version of the German propaganda films?
There will probably never be a Richard III movie nor a movie about Philip or Mary because there is not a market for them; you have to take into account if people will actually see these movies. And the last time I checked the only Richard III people were actually interested in was the one Shakespeare created.
I liked TOBG MOVIE for what it was and its costumes. I hated the book! But I find it fascinating that Natalie Portman is the actress who most embodies how Anne Boleyn really looked.

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"One of my favorite depictions of Elizabeth I. Helen Mirren could make a career just depicting queens."

YES YOU'RE SO VERY RIGHT HELEN MIRREN IS A WONDERFULL ACTRESS SHE COULD PLAY QUEEN ELIZABETH ON POINT.

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"Hello DuchessGrey,

Good points about what I call 'historical liberties' taken by directors, producers, writers, et,al. for shows and movies. There is enough drama in Tudor history w/out having to take these 'liberties' to 'improve' them! It confuses the viewers as to what really took place. And I totally agree about merging Henry's sisters, but, can understand why the show did that. If they had done both sisters, there would have had to have been more history shown about them, most likely not in the budget for the producers. They both had a huge impact on Henry's life, and their decisions on marriage or non marriage, as Margaret would show, did cause some strife for Henry and his relationship w/Scotland. Instead of having to delve into the lives of two sisters, they merged them for convenience sake.
Ahh, Elizabeth..were you referring to the Helen Mirren and Jeremy Irons production? Very good production, tho again, historical liberties were taken. We know that Leicester did not put Essex's hand in Bess's, and Bess wasn't even notified that he'd died until 3 days after his death. But Mirren did a wonderful job w/Bess' character. I also like the the Anne Marie Duff version put out by Masterpiece Theater. More liberties taken in that as well, but a good watch nonetheless. I think the closest we'll ever see to factual history is Elizabeth R. I haven't seen anything that could top that since it came to the States. The BBC did such a good job w/historical fact, that they made sure it rained when they took Bess to the tower. (you can see the sun shining on the reflection of the water) That's why I'd love to see a remake of that series with more fact and less drama (endless bowing scenes) and perhaps even more time for each episode, so to make history more accurate.

Peace,
ETR"

I love the bowing, even today you can get into a little trouble if you don't do it right. I wish we had more grace and dignity and manners in this day and age. It makes a lady or gentleman look so lovely.

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"AOATD really hits area's in history, although some of it is not factual based like Henry showing up at the trial to hear her say she did not sleep with those men. It does show as you point out that in Henry's sick way of thinking he wanted to rid Anne to take another. Just as he did with KOA except she was not killed. Also the whole scene when she discusses Elizabeth. I wonder if she really did say that;."

I'd like to imagine that, deep down, Anne knew, that some maternal insight or instinct told her that, not only was her daughter going to be Queen one day, she was going to be a truly great Queen, no matter what anybody tried to do to come between her and the throne. It'd be nice if she had that comfort, if she knew when she was walking to the scaffold that it hadn't all been for nothing.

I love the challenge in Bujold's Anne's voice when she tells Henry to get a son on Jane if he can and pray that it will live but that Elizabeth will STILL reign.

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