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Jane Boleyn - Tudors Season 4
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Oct 31 2009, 8:45 PM EDT by
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Does anyone know if the same actress, Joanne King, is reprising her role as Lady Rochford in the next series? And will they stay true to history and make her a key character in the story of Katherine Howard? It would be interesting to see both actresses (of KH & JB) together, and I wonder if they will show Jane being executed directly after Katherine on the same block, like in actual history?
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RE: Jane Boleyn - Tudors Season 4
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Oct 31 2009, 8:45 PM EDT
Wow they use that dress of Anne Boleyn so many times :( It was one of my favorites but she doesn't pull it off as well as Natalie did
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Jane and Geroge
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Sep 2 2009, 3:15 AM EDT by
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It's always stated that their marriage had been a very very unhappy one. But if the marriage was so unhappy why were Jane and George married for 10 years and didn't seperate? Jane even begged for her husband's life and never married again, although a new marriage would have been a wise choice. Possibly their relationship has always been depicted wrong. What do you think ?
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By: angelosdaughter,
Sep 2 2009, 3:15 AM EDT
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Her entire reputation as the vindictive betrayer of her husband and sister-in-law rests upon a marginal note which may have been written by the printer, not the author, in Foxe's "Acts and Monuments" which was intended to canonize George and Anne as heroes of the Reformation. Jane was of Catholic stock. All trhat note says is "It is reported of some that this Lady Rochford forged a false letter against her husband and Queen Anne her sister, by the which they were both cast away. Which, if it be so, the judgement of God is here to be marked." It was written 40 years after the events, making it even less credible. Of course it is possible that Foxe had access to sources no longer extant, but . In the body of the text, Foxe does not mention Jane in connection with the fall of the Boleyns at all, and regarding the Howard trials, only says that Jane died with Katheryn Howard. If the comment was written by the printer instead of the author, it is even less likely to be credible. Jane, who was for awhile destitute after the execution of George was, after all, a member of the Boleyn faction. She would have had nothing to gain and everything to lose by its fall.
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Jane R. - troublemaker?
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May 4 2009, 6:36 AM EDT by
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In the book "The First Queen of England" (The Myth of 'Bloody Mary') the author states the following about Jane Rochford:
"But her (Katherine Howard's) behaviour as queen, when she conducted an intense relationship with Thomas Culpepper, was astonishingly reckless. Even more bizarre was the support and encouragement she had received in this liaison from Lady Jane Rochford, the closest confidante among her ladies..."
"...she was executed with Lady Rochrford. This sinsiter and enigmatic woman, who had a perverse delight in compromising others, had been on the fringes of (Mary's) circle of friends. It was as well for Mary that she did not get closer."
So far on The Tudors, Jane has been portrayed as a victim of her bad marriage, taken under the wing of Queen Jane. From what I've read of her, and from her actions - she always seemed to be embroiled on the wrong side of controvery,,,she was not so innocent. What do you think?
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May 4 2009, 6:36 AM EDT
"I think she was a little bit of both a troublemaker and a victim." Well said, thanks.
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To The Tower Born
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Mar 25 2009, 2:00 PM EDT by
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Apparently Jane Rochford loved intrigue, but what was her rationale (in your opinion) for being a beard for Katherine and Culpepper? In The Tudors, Henry becomes very angry when it's suggested Anne previously had a lover...and we know he was head over heels with Katheine Howard. Was Jane afraid that he would not believe her if she leaked the secret? Or do you think she just enjoyed being part of the lovers' trysts?
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Mar 25 2009, 2:00 PM EDT
"But prior to Anne and George's trial , I do not recall anyone saying anything negative about Jane, who was married to George for 11 years. People only seem to have became hostile towards Jane, after the trial, mainly because they believe that she testified against Anne and George. But Jane never really testified in person. Jane testimony was read in court by Cromwell, who also wrote down what Jane was supposed to have said. Why did Cromwell write have to write down what Jane said, instead of letting Jane do it ? Why did Cromwell read her testimony instead of having Jane read it herself? What kind of education did Jane have while growing up? Are we sure Jane knew how to read and write?" George Wyatt's quote was a generation later,but since the family of Wyatt was well acquainted with the Boleyn family,he must have heard quite a bit. Jane Rochford was from a wealthy family,her father well known as an intellectual,I'm sure she must have had a good upbringing. Why Cromwell did not let her testify,who knows,but her reputation certainly suffered after George and Anne's death.
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So Jane Boleyn.
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Mar 1 2009, 8:43 PM EST by
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Thread started: Feb 28 2009, 10:12 PM EST
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Do you think that she really lost her mind when she was bring investigated about Kathyrn Howard and Kathyrn's relationship with Thomas Culpepper?
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Mar 1 2009, 8:43 PM EST
"I think that maybe you are right there when you say she didn't intentially confess, maybe the fear of what cromwell might do to her if she didn't confess something led her to it. And he was good at twisting words. Cromwell needed evidence against Anne and he used anything that he could find. I think that may come from a fear of what Henry 8th would do to him if he didn't find a way to get rid of poor Anne.
I also think your right about her losing her mind way before the KH situation,she must have been scared when Cromwell interragated her. That and her guilt about killing her husband would probably have led to her going a bit crazy. But then she also knew when she was in the tower that insane people didn't get executed, it could possibly have been a ploy to save her own life which ultimately failed. We will never know for sure, but i do enjoy to read other peoples take on the situation. " I still stick to what I had said, that I think she did lose her mind, but there's also a nagging part of my brain saying that she could have been faking it to save her skin. Like you said, JP25, losing her mind could have been a ploy to keep herself alive, because before insane people couldn't be excuted. Then Henry changed that law. Wonderful, Nice Henry. Blah.
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Jane Boleyn's execution speech
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Nov 5 2008, 4:58 AM EST by
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Ms. Squirrly asked me to present this confused question to you folks: I read the book, "Jane Boleyn" according to this book, she admitted to responsibilty for Anne and George's downfall.
According to "Autobiograpy of Henry VIII, Jane said in her speech was something like "I die along with Anne Boleyn and George who we all deserve to be punished" ! Which speech would be more historically accurate?
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Nov 5 2008, 4:58 AM EST
One theory of mine...
Henry changed the law so that Jane could be executed - specifically that 'mad' people could still be executed (prior to that madness would save you from the scaffold!)
Perhaps, in an effort to save herself, or maybe in her madness, Jane was saying things about Anne and George's innocence and her part in their downfall. If this was the case, this would have been too big a threat to Henry and he would want rid of her no matter what - he would not allow her to live - maybe thats why he went to the extreme of changing the law to make sure she was gone!!!
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Jane Rochford
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Oct 24 2008, 11:10 AM EDT by
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When do you think Lady Jan became mad? And why do you think she was inclined to spy tattle and tell? Also why do you think she set herself up with Catherine Howard and Thomas Cullpepper?
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Oct 24 2008, 11:10 AM EDT
"Do you think that some of the impetus to spy and tattle came from being a "bitter" wife, since her marriage to George was not the happiest and she harbored some resentment to the Boleyn's? I have just purchased Fox's book "Jane Boleyn, the true story of Lady Rochford", so hopefully I will learn more about her motivations. " What you will find when you read Fox's book will probably change the image that has come down of Jane Rochford. Until the Katharine Howard debacle, historical references to Jane are very sparse, and I think her involvement in facilitating Katharine H's affair has colored the modern view of her. Even there, she was the Queen's lady in waiting and could hardly refuse the Queen's order. There is very little evidence one way or the other about the conditions in her marriage to George Boleyn, and what there is indicates that she loved him and would try to speak to the king on his behalf when he was in the Tower. If she gave any information, it was probably under duress (threats, not actual torture in her case) or deliberately misinterpreted to support Cromwell's trumped-up evidence. To see how evidence could be obtained by duress and the simplest words deliberately interpreted to mean what Cromwell wanted them to mean, see the portion of "Anne of the Thousand Days" in which Cromwell interrogates Marc. Smeaton.
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Lady Jane Rochford
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Jul 16 2008, 8:12 PM EDT by
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Thread started: Jun 4 2008, 4:40 PM EDT
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In many novels Jane Rochford is very close with Anne Boleyn infact she was one of her ladies in waiting , and spent most of her time in the Queens private chambers. Why do you think the Tudors chose not show that relationship between the two of them ?
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Jul 16 2008, 8:12 PM EDT
I think it would have shown her backstabbing tendancies more if they would have shown them being close.
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