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| grahamneil | anachronism | 4 | Jul 22 2009, 10:12 PM EDT by SemperEadem | ||||
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Thread started: Jul 22 2009, 7:40 AM EDT
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Season3 eposide3 Henry says to Jane Seymour that she is "full of the milk of human kindness". This phrase is attribute to Shakespeare -MacBeth. much, much later. Still, the Bard might have got it from the series!
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| LadyevaoftheDuttons | Was William Brereton a Jesuit? (Most likely a Knight's Templar!!) | 0 | Jul 12 2009, 5:58 PM EDT by LadyevaoftheDuttons | ||||
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Thread started: Jul 12 2009, 5:58 PM EDT
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When studying Genealogy, the Majority of the Knights in my family were most likely the Knights Templar. They had to give up most of their holdings to the crown in order to take up the vows of Knighthood.
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| EadaoinTheGael | Inaccuracies | 14 | Jun 10 2009, 4:20 PM EDT by CarolineZ | ||||
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Thread started: Apr 11 2009, 12:34 PM EDT
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Well obviously loads of things could have been different. Like the Henry having two sisters thing or about Mary Boleyns children by Henry but I presume that it would have taken way too much time.
With relation to George Boleyn and the rape scene, yes it was kind of unnecessary but they needed a plausible reason for Jane Parker hating him so much. The fact that he was gay (in the show) would not have been enough. That would only embarass her. Whereas the rape would justify her actions completely. Besides, although it is highly unlikely, we never know what goes on behind closed doors. If Jane P had been raped she would never have told anyone. Rape of a wife back then wasnt considered rape. Also, she would be endangering herself by attacking the Queens brothers. And in fairness, Cromwells face when Jane Parker admits gladly that her husband slept with his sister is absolutely priceless.
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| MsSquirrly | What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? (page: 1 2 3 4 5) | 96 | Mar 25 2009, 11:18 PM EDT by Anne'sCurls | ||||
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Thread started: Aug 22 2008, 1:16 PM EDT
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For me it was the rape scene with George Boleyn & Jane Parker. What bugged me the most is that it is a horrendous act which has no basis in history and it blackens George's name. According to most historians there is not one "scintilla" of evidence to support his homosexuality plus now they make him a rapist. From what I have read, he was a very well liked member of court & not mean spirited. He admits to his own "sins" of vanity & pride but not a violent man.
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| Maggie-AnneB. | Does It Bother You (page: 1 2 3) | 48 | Mar 9 2009, 4:21 PM EDT by Conyle | ||||
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Thread started: Mar 3 2009, 8:58 PM EST
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At all that the actors don't look like their characters?
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| scotloch2 | accuracy of the series | 18 | Feb 23 2009, 7:46 PM EST by karenofbethany | ||||
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Thread started: Oct 3 2008, 8:19 PM EDT
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I Love this program! BUT there are many innaccuracies, which I am sure were invented for simplicity or for added drama . .. but really . .. do the Tudor kings and queens elicit any more drama than they really had in real life? In addition, the program MISSED many opportunities by omitting some things. For example: Woolsey did not commit suicide; he was relegated to the margins of Tudor England both geographically, and physically and mentally. He died a broken man after losing Hampton Court palace and much of his pride and wealth, which was greater than the king's. Henry basically punished him for years. Also, Margaret, Henry's sister did NOT marry Charles Brandon, his sister MARY did. She was the grandmohter of Lady Jane Gray (daughter of Frances, daughter of Mary), whose own life and demise at a very young age is a great story and one which the series lost out on (for a great movie about Lady Jane Gray, see "Lady Jane" with helena Bonham Carter). Margaret, Henry's other sister, married James IV of Scotland. She was the grandmother of Mary, Queen of Scots, and therefore the series lost another GREAT story line by screwing up this fact. Mary, Queen of Scots and Elizabeth Tudor, daughter of Anne Bolelyn, eventually had a policical showdown equally as intrguing as Henry's own story. So I say again, I LOVE this series, but see that they lost a great deal of future fodder by obscuring these women. Finally, Fisher was not poisoned. He was beheaded. Fisher was one of many who fell victim to the axe under Henry's reign in that he refused to sign the act s of Supremacy and Succession. These acts were important in all that followed in the Tudor story . . it deals with Henry's three kids and his other decendants.
Again . . I love the drama and the music and all of that .. but accuracy would matter in the longevity of the story.
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| wexcat | How do you correct the historical inaccuracies? (page: 1 2 3 4 5) | 82 | Dec 22 2008, 8:35 AM EST by hohumpigsbum | ||||
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Thread started: May 11 2008, 2:55 AM EDT
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I'm bugged because the "historical inaccuracy" site has an inaccuracy. Katharine of Aragon DID have an English ancestor, but it was not Katharine of Lancaster. Her English ancestor was John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster, 3rd son of Edward III. His second wife was Constance of Castile, whose parents were the deposed King and Queen of Castile. He married her to get a throne for himself and spent much of their 22 year marriage in fruitless efforts to regain it. They had one surviving child, a daughter named Catalina, who he married to the son of the "Pretender" King of Castile, making his daughter the Queen of Castile upon the death of the "Pretender". I'm skipping those names. Katherine of Aragon's English ancestor was therefore John of Lancaster. His 3rd wife was his life long mistress, Katherine Swynford. There is a '50s historical romance novel about her (and him) titled KATHERINE by Anya Seton and Alison Weir recently published a book in England titled KATHERINE SWYNFORD, which I'm just now finishing. The Plantagenets (the first being Henry II, married to Eleanor of Aquitaine), had reddish hair. Henry VII Tudor and his wife, Elizabeth of York (Henry VIII's parents), are both descended from John and his 3rd wife, Katherine, who had 4 "bastards", later legitimatized by the Pope and Richard II. Katherine Swynford, Duchess of Lancaster, would just "die" to read she is Katherine of Aragon's ancestress!!
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| JackClements | Margaret and Mary Tudor (or perhaps Princess Margaret/Mary! | 11 | Oct 20 2008, 2:33 PM EDT by Boudica | ||||
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Thread started: Oct 12 2008, 11:38 PM EDT
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To botch up history because some stupid crew member wouldn't know which Mary Tudor was being "dressed" is a stupidity beyond measure. Perhaps the producer could have used Princess Mary - the daughter and Princess Mary - the sister.
This deliberate historical fantasy casts doubts on the veracity of the whole series. I almost fell off my chair when the whole Margaret/Mary character was introduced! Are we to see any more of these crudities? This stupid character line throws the whole Stuart line into jeopardy. Perhaps I am incorrect, but I thought that The Tudors would be about all of them - and not just Henry VIII. I see now I am wrong, so it really doesn't matter who Mary Queen of Scots grandmother really was - or why she thought she had any claim to the English Throne. If her grandmother Margaret Tudor actually married the King of Portugal and then Charles Brandon, then poor Mary (Mary, Mary, quite contrary. . . ) was wasting her time even thinking she could usurp Elizabeth! And, if the crew couldn't distinguish the 2 Princesses Mary, why not have Margaret/Mary marry the King of France? At least that part would have been correct. And we wouldn't have had to watch the lecherous old King of Portugal - whatever his name was - and a completely useless and false story line. That's my rant for today! I still look forward to Season 2 (I have the first 2 episode on my PVR as we speak). However I hope we are saved any more historical falsehoods because of stupid crew members - or whatever other silly reason the producer thinks up. Stick to history - it's much better than any fiction this producer/writer can conjure up.
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| howardfan | more innacuracies | 0 | Sep 27 2008, 8:56 PM EDT by howardfan | ||||
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Thread started: Sep 27 2008, 8:56 PM EDT
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ARGH the thing that got to me was Henry as this man whore while married to anne boleyn, as we know there were only reportedly TWO mistresses, mary shelton some time in 1534/5 and the mystery woman who is "lady eleanor luke" in the show, in 1534 not that she was lady eleanor luke in reality but hey!
then there is charls brandon being alledgedly "banished" from court yet again for what he said to henry about Annes affair with thomas wyatt i was unaware in what i have read that Brandon nor his wife catherine hated and despised anne to the point that the show makes out i know Mary rose did not like her but that is all Then there is the so called "assasination" attempts on her, first with the cards, then the chambers in france and then at her coronation. And all of this was devised by Chapyus, would an ambassador who lived so many years as the kings servant, really be that stupid as to provoke and assassian on the new queen he loves so much? it is not written in history biographies, and furthermore, were there that type of gun around ???? were there guns atall for that matter? |
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| Tuduriad | The Tudors as they really were- a Welsh family on the make | 5 | Sep 18 2008, 10:17 PM EDT by MsSquirrly | ||||
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Thread started: Sep 4 2008, 9:02 PM EDT
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A point of interest is that Henry VII and Elsizabeth were known enthusiasts for their Celtic heritage; after all, Rhys ap Thomas own the battle of Bosworth, killed Richard III and installed on the throne in London a Welsh born Welsh speaker he regarded as Y Mab Darogan, the Son of Prophesy. Arthur, son of Henry VII, was raised in this tradition but Henry VIII was positiely anti Welsh, banning traditional style names, saying: No more of your aps and naps. Elizabeth, raised as a Welsh speaker, was much more positive: look at the portayal of Welsh characters in Shakespeare and the sucess of the seisyll or Cecil family, whose messages, written in Welsh, proved a code no Spanish spy could crack
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| howardfan | historical accuracy | 10 | Sep 2 2008, 10:53 PM EDT by howardfan | ||||
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Thread started: Sep 2 2008, 4:26 AM EDT
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So while i am a HUGE fan of this delicious show i struggle with the inaccuracy particularly in the first season.
For starters there is the fact that cast are for the most part absoloutely gorgeous, also Anne is portrayed as she is in so many as an ambitious slightly insane woman who wants catherine to die, if you actually read historical biographies one will come to find that anne was a kind and considerate woman who was used as a pawn in her father and uncles selfish game to rise higher. However in saying this i do like natalie dormer and find her acting in the season two finale amazing, her death was portrayed amazingly and she was poised and confident and commanded the audience. another thing was the sister margaret, her name was actually mary rose tudor and she married King louis VIII of france and did not marry charles brandon immediately, she was imrpisoned on speculation of the kings death however he was old and a little senial, also henry ordered her return, it was then that she took with charles brandon who was eventually welcomed back into court, nothing is said about mary roses hate for anne boleyn as it was in the tudors and the arm wrestle thing between henry and brandon What was that all about? LOL oh well they are keeping it entertaining Also it is widely accepted now that greensleeves was not written by henry as the particular style of music did not come in vogue until the 1580's, however it is beleived that the song was written about henry and anne. Lastly katherine of aragon did not look like that but hey it makes for good viewing
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| Boudica | John Guy's critique of "The Tudors" | 5 | Aug 11 2008, 3:12 PM EDT by lettice | ||||
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Thread started: Aug 4 2008, 1:18 PM EDT
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For those of you unfamiliar, John Guy is one of the preminent historians specializing in Tudor history, this is what he had to say about episode 2.1 and the rest of the series.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/08/01/nosplit/bvtvtudors01.xml "The script combines deeply researched, accurate details, such as Katherine mending Henry’s shirts, Cardinal Campeggio’s gout and More’s refusal in the opening scene to accept a letter from the Emperor Charles V, with glaring historical hogwash. " I think it was a fair criticism, the Tudors isn't historically accurate and it's not always supposed to be and atleast Mr. Guy understands that. I think he was much gentler than Alison Wier was though!
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| queen_elizabeth_1533 | Inaccuracies (page: 1 2) | 26 | May 29 2008, 8:52 AM EDT by Holly2 | ||||
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Thread started: Jan 19 2008, 4:53 PM EST
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I think that even though it's entertaining to watch a show like this with all it's variances from history, the viewers should at the same time learn a little something about the way it really was, just so they don't get the wrong idea. The Tudor Era was fascinating without the little embellishments the show adds, and as a Tudor fan, although I love watching movies and shows about my favorite people, such as Anne Boleyn and Katherine of Aragon, I think it's important to not get too wrapped up in the fictional.
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