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Nov 11 2009, 4:18 PM EST by
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I am quite disappointed at the end of the love story between Brandon and Margaret. I think she was the love of his life, I would have preffered if they had not let her die. They should have developed the story, with Brandon realising step by step that Margaret is the love of his life and that he hurts her by cheating on her all the time. Finally he would have become a faithful husband to Margaret.
Besides, I would say that Brandon and Catherine are a rather bad match. I cannot see any passion between them. I believe Brandon when he says that he loves her but it seems to me to be more like a brother-and-sister relationship.
What do you think?
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RE: Brandon's Wives
By: E.V.,
Nov 11 2009, 4:18 PM EST
"At least she left some very entertaining and interesting letters (it was very sad reading what she wrote after her sons died) . " I know I'm late to this thread -- sorry! I'm a re-enactor and have been researching Catherine Willoughby for several months, but have not been able to find any letters written to/by her, beyond what's quoted in the various books that mention her ("Five Women of the English Reformation", "My Lady Suffolk", etc.). Would you mind telling me your source(s)? Thanks so much...
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Brandon's Son
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Oct 31 2009, 4:23 PM EDT by
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Thread started: Oct 19 2009, 2:41 PM EDT
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In the first episode of Season 2 Brandon tells Henry that he is going to get married again because his son needs a mother. The woman to be married, Catherine, is only 17 at that time.
In one of the first episodes of Season 2 one can see Brandon with his son, a boy with reddish curls. There seems to be some resemblance to Margaret. I think he is Margaret's son but she has never been shown pregnant nor has it ever been mentioned that she has given birth. But he cannot be Catherine's son because of what Brandon said in the first episode of Season 2. Or maybe the boy is an illegitimate child? What do you know about it or what do you think?
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By: Verlah,
Oct 31 2009, 4:23 PM EDT
"However on the show it appears that two roles had been merge into the one character of Charles Brandon, ( unless they recast Norfolk in season 4 ) Charles is both Brandon and the duke of Norfolk. with that being said, we might find Charles Brandon in the tower at the end of the season." You mean that Henry Cavill is going to play Charles Brandon as well as the duke of Norfolk????
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Do u think Charles ever loved Margaret?
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Oct 22 2009, 5:31 PM EDT by
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The relationship between Charles and Margaret. Lust? Love? Means to an end?
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RE: Do u think Charles ever loved Margaret?
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Oct 22 2009, 5:31 PM EDT
"The relationship between Charles and Margaret. Lust? Love? Means to an end?" Yes, I would say that he really loved her. In my opinion he was just not mature enough at the time of their marriage to realise how much she meant to him, and that she was the love of his life. I do not think that he was able to think that far. I also assume that he constantly mistook sex for love which might have had mental reasons. Remember, there is one scene in Season 1 where Margaret is caressing Charles, and he asks her what she is doing. This shows me that being caressed or caressing someone else must have been something completely unusual or even odd to him. Maybe he had not experienced anything like that before. In a DELETED scene (on the ship) in Season 1 there can be seen a slightly tender gesture by Charles towards Margaret but that's everything. I think that the shock of Margaret's death made him realise what he had lost, and so he changed. But in my opinion he was never able to love Catherine that much although being faithful to her almost all the time except for once.
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Oct 20 2009, 2:21 PM EDT by
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I have a question. In other thread I read that in 4rd season King Henry executes Charles Brandon...is that true?
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Oct 20 2009, 2:21 PM EDT
"Is there no mention of Lady Rochford`s execution?" not by name but I am betting she was included in the KatherineHoward/ Culpepper executions....since she is a prominent character.
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Brandon vs. Wolsey
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Jul 15 2009, 8:24 PM EDT by
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*Please note that I am new to the Tudors wiki, so please be kind*
I noticed that on both Charles Brandon's and Cardinal Wolsey's wikipages that that were cited as each other's enemy. It's been ages since I have seen Season 1, so would someone care to tell me why this was the case? The only plausible thing that I could think of is the fact that both men had such a powerful hold over Henry VIII and were able to influence him the way that they did. Then again, could what had happened between Brandon and Mary Tudor (or Margaret as she is known in the series) have caused a rift between the two?
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By: Reggie19,
Jul 15 2009, 8:24 PM EDT
I'll be kind, don't worry, but in Season 1, which you claim you haven't seen for ages... Charles Brandon, the Duke of Norfolk and Thomas Boleyn all make an alliance to bring Wolsey down. This is why he is known as Wolsey's enemy, although he only did it to get back in the King's good graces, having married his sister without permission!
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Charles Brandon's PTSS
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Apr 22 2009, 1:41 PM EDT by
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Thread started: Apr 20 2009, 6:55 PM EDT
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It is very typical for soldiers to be very mentally distressed after returning from war. It is the SOP that all soldiers attend debriefing so that it will "ease" their transition into everyday life.
Unfortunately these damaged souls will present with disturbing behavior such as attacking their wives in their sleep, hallucinating, and become very easy to startle. (These are just to name a few.)
I sympathize HEAVLY with what mental issues Brandon is suffering. It is hard to experience and to witness it in someone you know.
I know this might be a delicate topic considering there are probably veterans and military wives in the crowd, but I would love some feedback on this topic.
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RE: Charles Brandon's PTSS
By: lettice,
Apr 22 2009, 1:41 PM EDT
"I don't want to say that Charles Brandon wasn't affected by what he may have seen in battle, we cannot ever know that. However, I think we should remember that back in the sixteenth century, warfare was seen in a different way than it is today. As far as I know, it was an honor to go to battle and prove yourself, and I do not know that they felt the same pangs afterwards, because of this difference. After all, jousting, bear baiting, hunting, and other violent sports were very common, so they were not raised to be squeamish or sympathetic.
Obviously this is an issue that touches soldiers and veterans today, and it is a serious thing, but I am not sure that Charles Brandon would have necessarily gone through it. However, if someone else has a different opinion, I'd be glad to hear it." I believe HC is portraying Brandon through "modern eyes". I don't think the real Brandon went through PTSS of any sort as depicted in the series. OOPS! Was I thinking about what happened in episode 4?
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Brandon
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Mar 20 2009, 6:18 AM EDT by
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Yeah I know he looks good but is this guy getting on anyone else's nerves? Season 1 he's mad at Woley(for gawd knows what reason) and he dies. Then in season 2 he turns against the Boleyns and calls Anne a whore for gawd knows what reason and then she dies. Now in season three he is going to be hating on Cromwell(atleast we know where this hatred comes from) and he is going to die. What is up with this dude?!? He's trying to take out anyone who is close to Henry, I bet in season 4 he is going to plot with Cranmer and the Seymours to take down Catherine Howard.
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By: lily82,
Mar 20 2009, 6:18 AM EDT
" He worked with the Boleyn faction in season 1, yet was the one that 'ratted out' Anne to Henry and started the whole process of her fall. Yet, in the next episode he's bitching out Daddy Boleyn for putting his daughter in such a grave posiion. Umm...hello! Wasn't he the one that just dropped some supposed 'truths' in Henry's eager ear about Anne having affairs? What gives?
" The 'bullying' of Daddy Boleyn is a 'father' reaction to Boleyn behaviour when he learned he's free to go and keep his properties. As a father, Charles don't understand how a father can rejoice of 'keeping his domain' while his children are put to death...That's why Charles gets mad, cause Boleyn acts a selfish greedy bitch and not like a grieving father... Charles's becoming a father has changed a lot his priorities....That's why he sympathies with Katherine oA's cause. because as a father, he understand her pain of being separated of her daughter (cf. HC interview for season 2). I agree with all Izzy22 said. She explained very well Charles' behavior. As for Wolsey and Cromwell's downfall, it's the same reason: they're too influent over Henry and Charles has the feeling they're up to no good and have not ever the interest of the king as their priorities before their own...
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Brandon's dilemma
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Mar 7 2009, 8:17 AM EST by
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Thread started: Mar 5 2009, 9:05 PM EST
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Someone explain please what is happening in the Season III promo between Brandon, Cromwell and the King...? I get the impression Brandon doesn't want to be involved in killing the pilgrims - that Henry gets mad, etc., I don't recall reading any of this? Scholars, come forward! Is this real or is it a new Producer's Plot?
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By: Reggie19,
Mar 7 2009, 8:17 AM EST
"I really don't miss Norfolk, looking back the actor and character wasn't done that well. They easily switched the villainy to Thomas Boleyn and others. I assume they will do the same this time around as well. " Ya, i don't get the fuss about Henry Czerny either, he didn't remind me of the old snake-in-the-grass that Thomas Howard was, in fact, he was better played in TOBG (yup, i said it!). I think they switched the villainy of Thomas Howards character with that of George Boleyn, noticed how he's being portrayed as a right git in the show!
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The Charles and Mary Affair.
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Feb 12 2009, 4:37 PM EST by
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Did Mary and Brandon in reality elope?
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By: Bluevanillalady,
Feb 12 2009, 4:37 PM EST
"How much of an age difference was there between the two of them?" According to wikipedia there is about 12 years difference. (Charles being born in 1484 & Mary in 1496) Here is the details on the fines they had to pay according to Wikipedia: Suffolk (Charles) was saved from Henry's anger only by Wolsey, and the pair eventually agreed to pay to Henry £24,000 in yearly instalments of £1000, and the whole of Mary's dowry from Louis of £200,000, together with her plate and jewels. They were openly married at Greenwich Hall on 13 May. The Duke had been twice married already, to Margaret Neville (the widow of John Mortimer) and to Anne Browne, to whom he had been betrothed before his marriage with Margaret Mortimer. Anne Browne died in 1511, but Margaret Mortimer, from whom he had obtained a divorce on the ground of consanguinity, was still living. He secured in 1528 a bull from Pope Clement VII assuring the legitimacy of his marriage with Mary Tudor and of the daughters of Anne Browne, one of whom, Anne, was sent to the court of Margaret of Savoy.
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anyone else disappointed w/his character in season 2?
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Jan 13 2009, 5:36 PM EST by
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I mean HC is by far the hottest guy on the show. I just wish we would have gotten to see more of it. But that not really what this post is about.
It was like overnight Brandon changed from woman chaser to devoted husband/father, with no reasoning. I enjoy character development but there was NOTHING shown to give reason for his 360 degree change (save for cheating the one time).
The best storyline was his marriage to Margaret/Mary, which was the best thing about season 1 (aside from the fantastic Maria Doyle Kennedy who was perfection in every scene and will be sorely missed - her acting was miles above any of the other actresses to appear on the show). I never understood why they cut that relationship short. It was sexier than anything Henry/Anne ever could muster.
But back to my point - was anyone else disappointed with the turn his character made in season 2 for no apparent reason? I wouldnt have minded his change, but they needed to develop it and give us a reason. The last we saw of him in season 1 he was cadding around, next thing we know he is married with kids and against Anne & her father. He did become a bit more interesting toward the end when he opposed the Boleyns, but otherwise... where was the sexy, woman chasing badass from season 1?
Lets hope for more character development this season.
Anyone else agree with me?
(And I still miss Callum Blue's Anthony Knivert and dont udnerstand why he disappeared)
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RE: anyone else disappointed w/his character in season 2?
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Jan 13 2009, 5:36 PM EST
I have never been able to get over the fact that these writers destroyed the love story between Brandon and Princess Mary. Henry as the devoted husband came when he was married to Mary it did not spontaneously occur when the 13yr old showed up. Henry Cavill I do not believe is that good of an actor. He was supposed to be more of an adult in season 2 but even that wasn't portrayed well. I personally do not find it belivable that all of a sudden after Marygaret's death he does a 180* and we are not allowed to have any explanation as to how or why. Even if that was the catalyst there would still have to be a journey.
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Feb 17 2008, 3:45 AM EST by
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So, my question is this...was the real Charles Brandon this much of a bad boy?
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Feb 17 2008, 3:45 AM EST
Charles shouldn't die. In History Charles lived long to old age.
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