Anne Boleyn

"Actually Sir Thomas Boleyn was a self-seeking snake who didn't care how he kept his position even if it meant betraying his children. He was a judge at the trial of four of Anne's accused lovers and condemned them as guilty even thought he of all people must have known how truly innocent they were. And I doubt he was broken hearted at the death of his children, unless it was for sorrow that his main mechanisms of advancement had been forever cut off. A year or so after Anne and Gorge's execution he actually had some one in his district punished ( he had the guy's hand or ear cut of, I don't remember which) for saying that Anne was innocent. I don't believe a worse father could have ever existed. he is your A-typical jerk. Elizabeth Howard on the other hand seams to really have loved her children, remember Anne said "my mother will die of sorrow" and a year or so after the deaths of her son and daughter she did die. it must have been a terrible thing for a mother to go through. This was the one thing I liked from the other Boleyn Girl movie, the portrayal of Elizabeth Howard, especially at the end when she yells at Thomas Boleyn and says something to the effect of "you have killed my children"."

From what little I've read about Thomas Boleyn, he was ambitious to a fault. I don't know much about his wife, but I wouldn't put too much creedance in what went on in "The Other Boleyn Girl" as it is based on Phillipa Gregory's novel.
If anyone knows where I could find info on them both, it would be appreciated.

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"Something pushed Henry to start the breakup....and who and what was that. Hmmm..?
In the showes didnt the charhacter Henry say for example that 'someone' put a mark on his decicion making for example with the trial and beheading of Moore. Al the same things went this path because of the planing as you see it in the show. I have never written anything about the actress. She is only doing her job. I dont even have an opinion on the actress. My criticism has been towardes Anne Bolyens character in THE TUDORS. "

Then perhaps you will remember that Henry was expressing doubts about his marriage to Katherine from the first episode, before he met Anne or took an interest in her, that he was the one who ordered Wolsey to initiate the divorce proceedings without any prompting from Anne - and, in all probability, without originally intending that he would marry her when he was free, as he asked her to be his maitresse en titre first. I doubt that either Wolsey or More would have confided in Anne about Henry's plan to leave Katherine, so she can't have known about it when she refused to be his official mistress. Henry was obsessed with the need for a male heir so, with or without Anne, he would have pushed for an annulment. Anne, depending on your perspective, had either really good or really bad timing but she wasn't the reason Henry decided to leave Katherine.

As far as More goes, Anne was not shown to take any part in the drafting of the Act or Oath of Succession or to advocate More's death. We saw Henry make the decision to refuse any suggestion of a compromise without prompting from her, we saw him wrestling with the decision and opting to execute More alone. Anne played no part, unless you want to blame her portrait in the locket for egging Henry on. The only times they were alone together in that episode was after Anne miscarried the baby and later, when Henry was comforting a tearful Anne, at which points More was probably the furthest thing from her mind. Henry claims that Anne pushed him to execute More when his resolve faltered but we literally only have his word for that, and he wants to be able to blame somebody else for a decision he now regrets. Perhaps he has even convinced himself that Anne was responsible. His claim also contradicts what we have seen on the show, so it would be very foolish to blindly assume that he is telling the truth.

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"Shadow, I apologise for the spoilers but in actual fact I am in Canada and its not being shown here either...not till september. I have been downloading episodes from the net. Also I think if you look on Youtube, you will find the episodes usually broken down into a few parts. I think Boudica posted it on a thread somewhere."

What a frustrating way to have to view the series, but I guess it's better than nothing. To think I was whining just because I don't have On Demand. We spoiled Americans never appreciate what we've got. LOL!

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