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| The Mary Rose 500 Appeal | 5 | Nov 13 2009, 10:35 AM EST by Elliemental |
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| MsSquirrly | King Henry - patron or plunderer? | 0 | 14 minutes ago by MsSquirrly | ||||
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Just bringing attention to this page which is a BBC documentary in 6 parts - well worth watching!
http://tudorswiki.sho.com/page/King+Henry+VIII+-+Patron+or+Plunderer%3F
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| SemperEadem | Elizabeth and Essex | 3 | Yesterday, 7:33 PM EST by lettice | ||||
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Just so as not to stray too far away from the "Queen Mary and Elizabeth's shared tomb" thread, I am carrying the discussion of Elizabeth and Essex over here. :-)
My first thoughts are to recommend an EXCELLENT book on Essex, Paul E.J. Hammer's "The Polarisation of Elizabethan Politics: The Political Career of Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex, 1585-1597." The book is pricey, but interlibrary loan it since it is the best look at Essex we have to date and Hammer is a fantastic author. Unfortunately, a number of books/media on Essex out there take the relationship between Essex and the Queen too far, and as a result, he has come off looking like an early modern playboy. Hammer corrects this vision in his examination of late Elizabethan English court society. Essex emerges as not the court dandy who got by on his good looks, but as someone who made it to where he was thanks to his location in the patronage system. Likewise, he wasn't merely motivated by self-interest, but was primarily motivated by a sense of aristocratic honor and humanist values (he very likely modeled himself on Philip Sydney). Finally, he wasn't as incompetent as everyone has portrayed him as: from 1593-1596 he was more than adept at managing England's defense (which is hard to recognize thanks to his later actions). Most importantly, however, Hammer tackles Essex's relationship with Elizabeth, and it is definitely not a sexual one! While Essex was indeed a favorite of the Queen, the relationship was never as intense as many authors have portrayed it. Certainly, Essex had respect for the Queen, but she was old, and he was forced to be dependent on her, and thus he made propaganda work to his advantage. Plus, it seems that Elizabeth understood the man, and that she didn't allow her feelings for him affect England (if anything, trust placed in him could be pointed back to a job well-done previously).
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| scooter&buster | The myth of Cromwell's execution (page: 1 2 3 4) | 63 | Thursday, 12:25 PM EST by foxyman416 | ||||
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Thread started: Jun 3 2009, 3:33 AM EDT
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I've read here, IMDb and other places that Henry purposely had Cromwell executed by a novice so as to make Cromwell suffer. I'm not upset that some one would post that, since it is in several novels and telefilms and the story is repeated as such endlessly on the internet. HOWEVER there is no evidence that this was the case. The only real evideance...the only reliable evidence is that from a man that was actually at Cromwell's execution. I believe the man's last name was Hall...but, I'm not certain. However, his account was something like this, "He patiently suffered the axe of a miserly butcher who ungodly performed his office". Now, that leads one to believe that it was a botched execution. But, it doesn't say how it was botched. It doesn't say it took two or three or more swings. But, I think it's safe to say, yes, it may have taken at least a couple. Otherwise, how can the 'butcher' comment be justified. It's not the story of the botched execution that irks me. It's the often told tale that Henry purposely caused it. There is no evidence that that is true. I've searched Google many times and read numerous books, and were that story is told there is never a single reliable source to back it up.
I don't really think Henry was all that keen to kill Cromwell in the first place, but went along with Norfolk and his cronies because he just wanted to get his marriage to AoC over with and get it on with K Howard. In other words, he was too busy thinking with his little head to use his big one properly. Thus he let the whole Cromwell fall steam roll. That's why when his marriage to KH failed so miserably he knew Cromwell had been unjustly put to death...and he began to regret it. Anyway, if Henry had wanted Cromwell to suffer, why didn't he just have him drawn and quartered...as was his original sentence? Sorry, but this myth of his execution bugs me
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| henry's7thwife | Currency debasing and restoration | 2 | Wednesday, 10:08 PM EST by SemperEadem | ||||
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Thread started: Wednesday, 7:31 AM EST
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Henry VII left a good economy which helped Henry VIII. Then for his war with France, he debased the currency (mixed gold with other metals) leading to a fall in the value of English coins. Then, Edward debased it even further. Mary & Elizabeth also played with it. Elizabeth finally fully restored the coin to its proper value. I read somewhere that Mary had actually done this first.
What I would like to know is whether Mary improved the value of coins or whether she introduced some kind of currency system. Does anyone know the exact value of the reduction. I believe Henry reduced the value by 75% but please correct me if I am wrong. I am also inclined to think Mary tried to do something with the currency but not exactly sure what. Will welcome any info ...
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| Anne'sCurls | Anne's Ghost? (page: 1 2 3 4 5) | 87 | Tuesday, 8:42 AM EST by BoleynGirl | ||||
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Thread started: Jan 24 2009, 9:21 PM EST
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So I have often heard that hte ghost of Anne Boleyn haunts the Tower of London and the question that has always been on my mind is how the heck do they know its her? It's not like the face from the portrait is the one walking around there. Plus was she really the only dark haired woman who was executed there? Then Ive heard stories of a ghost walking around without a head; so if it doesnt have a head how eactly can you be sure its Anne Boleyn? These are just questions that have always dogged me.
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| HistoricQueen3 | Queen Bess and Dudley! | 15 | Monday, 2:21 PM EST by BoleynGirl | ||||
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Thread started: Aug 14 2009, 12:37 PM EDT
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I was reading this, and saw that Elizabeth and her later lover Robert Dudley were both born on the same day, in the same year!!!
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| henry's7thwife | Death by boiling for poisoning | 9 | Nov 13 2009, 12:36 PM EST by Elliemental | ||||
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Thread started: Nov 13 2009, 12:02 AM EST
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I just read that the punishment for poisoning was death by boiling because it was treated as high treason. And this crazy law was enacted by our very own Bluff King Hal. I wonder why someone poisoning another person was treated as treason? Doesn't treason refer to disloyalty against the country and/or the king/queen??
I am missing something here. Can anyone fill me in?
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| fleur_de_lis | Favourite non Tudor monarch | 8 | Nov 13 2009, 12:16 AM EST by AJBates | ||||
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Thread started: Nov 7 2009, 11:39 AM EST
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Who is your favourite non Tudor monarch/s and consorts who ruled over England or Great Britain? The Tudors probably have the most infamous rulers but there are loads more kings and queens to chose from.
I've always had a soft spot for Henry V though that might be because of Shakespeare. I also love Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. Now that i've got no Tudors for a while i'm replacing my Tudor obsession with Victorians. I can't stop watching Young Victoria, it's getting ridiculous now haha.
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| elizabethtudorrose | Thomas Moore: Saint or Selfish (page: 1 2 3 4) | 62 | Nov 12 2009, 10:53 PM EST by tudorcrazy | ||||
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Thread started: Jul 28 2009, 9:55 AM EDT
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I have always admired Thomas Moore. Recently, my attitude about him has changed. I was on a 'Moore Kick' and re- watched Seasons 1&2 of the Tudors and A Man For All Seasons and anything else in my movie library for more info on him. What happened was that I found my high opinion of him changed. How could a man so good, so just, and so concerned with Humanity let his family suffer for his own beliefs? Moore knew the outcome of his actions and knew that his family would suffer, but still denied taking the Oath, even though he knew that he could have taken it w/a reservation. His circumstances changed when he gave up the Chancellorship and he became poor, but he was still a lawyer and practiced and earned some money for the family. His own beliefs were just, but how can a person knowingly let their family fall victim to penury? How could he in good conscience, just let the chips fall where they may over an idealism of his own? Everyone he knew pleaded w/him to take the Oath, including his family, but he would not because it bothered his 'conscience'. To me, that is an act of a selfish man, not a Saint. Granted, he did many good deeds in his life, but that doesn't justify him letting his family down. His family needed him and he denied them. He KNEW what would happen to them, yet he persisted w/his ideals. If he really loved his family as much as he said he did, he'd not have let them suffer. Just because he wanted 'out' didn't mean he had to drag his family with him. I think he should have taken the Oath and become a real Saint by keeping his family whole and housed.
What think you, Tudor Fans? Peace, ETR
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| Jes89 | Did Jane really loved Henry? | 9 | Nov 12 2009, 1:26 PM EST by lettice | ||||
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Thread started: Oct 23 2009, 10:18 PM EDT
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i was looking at some internet foruns and i have seen some people saying that Jane did not love Henry,at least not at the time of their marriage...what do you think?
my point: Katherine and Anne did love Henry and died loving him,Katherine couldn't know what kind of monster her husband would become to her,since he was always a good and loving husband,good father and she was a good wife. Anne saw what Henry made to his previous wife and child,but i think, she believed that she could deal with him in every circunstances...but she could not. Jane, i think that if i was her,an th eking was courting me,i would be terrified, this kind of man as husband...after all he did? what do you think.
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| ladyinwaiting1986 | Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater | 11 | Nov 12 2009, 3:38 AM EST by Elliemental | ||||
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Thread started: May 1 2009, 11:15 PM EDT
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Now that I think of it, the rhym: Peter Peter Pumkin eater, had a wife and couldn't keep her. He put her in a pumpkin shell, and there he kept her very well. Reminds me of Henry VIII and Anne of Cleves. But I think that is more of a coisidence.
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| maryboleynfan | Evil Mary??? (page: 1 2 3 4 5) | 93 | Nov 10 2009, 9:19 PM EST by audietudor | ||||
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Thread started: Nov 3 2009, 12:40 AM EST
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I have recently read a book about 16 evil men and women and I was shocked and apalled to discover that Queen Mary I was included in this list which included people like Hitler, Stalin and Emperor Nero! Considering that in 5 years Queen Mary burnt less than 300 people at the stake, compared to her infamous father King Henry VIII whose final death toll was estimated in the many thousands (though I admit it might have been exagerated). Please tell me i'm not the only one who thinks that this inclusion is cruel and unjust as is the title of 'Bloody' Yes Mary shouldn't have burnt those people just because of their faith, but if you do some research and examine the reasons behind this, then you can clearly see that Queen Mary did not deserve to be labelled as 'evil' she was simply a misguided woman who tried to keep her country together while her life was falling apart at the seams and who listened to misguided people.
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| Anne'sCurls | Henry VII | 8 | Nov 10 2009, 1:05 PM EST by lettice | ||||
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Thread started: Nov 5 2009, 3:12 PM EST
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This is going to come off as crazy, but for the longest time I have found Henry VII to be quite good looking? Much better looking that his son. Does anyone else find him a handsome dead guy?
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| LadySarah | Mary Tudor - Marriage question | 8 | Nov 10 2009, 12:23 PM EST by Reggie19 | ||||
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Thread started: Nov 8 2009, 1:55 PM EST
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Mary Tudor married Philip I after she was queen, in her late thirties, I believe. I would love to know why she never married earlier. Being royal usually meant an early marriage to strengthen political ties, and yet this never happened for Mary. Can anyone explain why? It seems very unusual to me.
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| LadyScarlett | Haveing a crush on Sir Thomas More (page: 1 2 3) | 45 | Nov 9 2009, 1:57 PM EST by alinagordelli | ||||
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Thread started: Jul 13 2008, 11:19 PM EDT
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Ever since watching the Tudors, I find I have a huge crush on the REAL Thomas More. I just read the Autobiography of Henry VIII and the Thomas More in the book (coupled with how I picture him, Jeremy Northam) has given me a huge crush on him. It's odd, I've never been smitten with someone that's hundreds of years older than I.
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| actchickcee | Surviving Possessions of Anne Boleyn (page: 1 2 3 4) | 64 | Nov 9 2009, 10:47 AM EST by AuraTopp | ||||
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Thread started: Jun 5 2008, 5:06 PM EDT
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Does anyone know if any of Anne's possessions still exist today? I know that one of her books does, but I haven't been able to find much else. I'd really like to know if there is a website that has pictures of them if they did survive.
Any ideas or theories as to what happened to the famous "B" necklace?
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| Jes89 | The spanish queen | 0 | Nov 6 2009, 10:19 PM EST by Jes89 | ||||
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Thread started: Nov 6 2009, 10:19 PM EST
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i find interesting how women had "rights" if i can use this word in spain at middle ages.
It's incredible to study,at least for me who loves history of gender,about female queens in Spain and some in portugal too. Someone else here??? |
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| mrsgalloway | What Exactly Is Dropsy? | 3 | Nov 3 2009, 4:29 PM EST by lettice | ||||
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Thread started: Oct 29 2009, 6:48 AM EDT
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I have read about it, but I really do not know what dropsy is, I know it is some kind of illness, but how does it effect the body? What were the symptons, and was it a very common illness? Was there a cure?
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| Relyob | Question on Wolsey | 2 | Nov 3 2009, 4:23 PM EST by lettice | ||||
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Thread started: Oct 29 2009, 2:00 PM EDT
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Hey, I've asked this question a few times but people always change their view point. What do you lot think?
To what extent was Wolsey's failure to obtain a divorce responsible for his fall from power? Got an essay question lol. Thanks!
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| lettice | Mary Queen of Scots: Did she or didn't she??? | 7 | Nov 2 2009, 8:19 PM EST by Anne'sCurls | ||||
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Thread started: Oct 28 2009, 1:15 PM EDT
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I am currently reading a book entitled "Mary Queen of Scots & The Murder Of Lord Darnley" by Allison Weir. The author promises to investigate if or if not mary QofS was complicit in Darnley's murder by searching historical fact & incidents recorded previous to Darnley's death.
As I am only on pg. 105 of over 500 pages, I'm not sure of what conclusions she reaches. Weir does mention that concerning Mary Qof S, you either "canonize" her or demonize her. At this point, I don't believe Mary is directly responsible for her husbands death, but if she had a notion of something brewing she wasn't going to rush in to stop it. I would liken it to seeing someone going into cardiac arrest & taking your time to call 911. What do you think?
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