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"Now I'm at home. Like others said Darnley and Robert were not the same person and the women they were involved with weren't the same. Mary's problems went much deeper than who she married. Her choice of a husband is just another sign of why she wasn't a fit queen for Scotland. I've heard theories that though Elizabeth loved Robert she used their relationship to scare the crap out of those who were pushing her to marry. "

"I think he was attracted more by his own ambition, but I think he would have stuck by her. When he rode away from her at Carberry, he was under the same misapprehensions as she was concerning the promises conveyed by Kirkcaldy, or I doubt he would have left. I believe he had that much honor, and also, in single combat, was likely to have prevailed. Unfortunately due to the pressure of the crisis, we have no idea how their relationship may have developed. As to Mary's feelings for him, I believe they were overwhelming. Was it the kind of love I feel for my husband whenI look over at him sleeping and it makes me smile, I don't think she had that with any of her husbands. "

"There is a comment above concerning the Dog Urian, and I find it very interesting that this strange name be given to two dogs that lived at the same time: Anne Boleyn's Dog and Wolsey's dog, that bit the pope's toe, angering him, when Wolsey went to Rome to present King Henry's "Great Matter"!
Since Anne took a great liking to Bryan's dog, and adopted him, wouldn't it be very likely that Anne (with her sense of humour!) would demand to now own Wolsey's dog (Wolsey, of course, being Anne's enemy) that had bitten the pope (another nemesis) toe!?!
I just really found that observation above interesting, questioning wheter Urian 1 and Urian 2 were the same dog, and I say, due to the time, the circumstance, and Anne's humour (and sway over Henry) it is likely that Wolsey's dog became hers. Any thoughts?"

"Mary was indeed the "Kindest" of the sisters. Mary was "Kindness" in the famous play in which Henry VIII first met Anne."

"In my opinion, I think that Katherine and Anne were equally stubborn so I don't really fault Kat in that department. I think Anne's determination to be Queen shows her own stubborn personality. As for Kat's religious behavior, yes she was extremely devout, but she was not like her daughter, burning people and such. There are two types of religious extremes and it isn't just negative.

Also, I think people should remember that Kat in The Tudors isn't 100% acurate. For example she never seemed to "blame" Anne and asked for the Ladies to "pray for her" . She seemed to believe in mercy and forgiveness for even those who didn't have it towards her."

"I didn't know much about Mary Boleyn, until I watched "The Other Boleyn Girl" last night. I felt so sorry for her as she was portrayed as someone who was in love with her husband, but her family forced her to go after Henry after falling for Anne initially failed. She then falls in love with Henry and Anne is jealous and seething when she sees Henry fall for her sister instead. Despite Anne's cruelty to her when she lures Henry away from her after Mary falls pregnant, Mary still supports Anne and "lies" for her about Anne's ex lover.

Does anyone know if any of this is true? Did Mary really love Henry? Did Henry love her? Was Anne jealous that Henry fell for her sister? "

"Does anyone knows if there is any personal diary from the Tudor Times? "