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While other little girls played princess and were rescued from towers,
I vanquished the Armada as
Elizabeth
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Personal Motto: Same as above :-) Quote I admire most: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."-Eleanor Roosevelt
Favorite Periods in History: Early-Modern Period in England and Ireland...and ventures into the New World (Tudors,Reformation, and Counter-Reformation!), Transition from Roman Republic to Empire, American Civil War, American War for Independence
Location: Currently, the library.
Superpower: Today, it is drinking insane amounts of caffeine...hey, it is when you start drinking insane amounts of alcohol that you have to worry, right?
Ideal Job: Researching, publishing, and teaching
Most likely to find me: Buried in the stacks and archives or behind my laptop
Why it would rule to be a wife of Henry VIII: When he's out on campaign, you're regent, baby. Obviously, my ambitiousness would have taken me down a very dangerous route.
Why it would suck to be a wife of Henry VIII: I'm short enough as it is without losing my head, thank you very much. I'll take the Anne of Cleves route, if it is available.
Favourite Colour: Green! And this goes a long way back, even before I knew green and white were the Tudor colours. But once I found that bit of info out, that just sealed the deal. :-)
If I could be any historian I would be: David Cressy, Carole Levin, Susan Doran, or Nicholas Canny
Favourite Historical Characters: I admire strong women (even if their ideals were pitted against one another), especially Elizabeth I, Mary I, Anne Boleyn, Katherine of Aragon, and Eleanor Roosevelt. But I'm also fascinated by Abraham Lincoln, George Patton, and Augustus Caesar.
Historical crush on: James Madison
Odd tidbit: You will occasionally find me using British spelling even though I live in the US. It comes with the territory of reading lots of European titles and sources.
Currently reading: Books on the Tudors and Stuarts, topics on the Elizabethans and the Irish, and selections on women and gender in modern Europe.
TUDOR CONNECTION
So, I don't know if I am directly related to the Tudors (jealously, let me mention that my husband somehow has a Tudor rose in his family's emblem...how he got to have the blood and I didn't is an injustice beyond me...), but I am directly descended from Mataoka (better known as Pocahontas) and John Rolfe. Pocahontas was introduced to James I and VI, great-grandson of Margaret Tudor, when she went back to England with Rolfe. I am not special in my distinction, however, as many whose family came from Virginia are direct descendants of North America's first settlers. And, Pocahontas' and Rolfe's descendants had LOTS of kids. And we don't even know if what John Smith said about Pocahontas rescuing him was true, although many argue that because of her diplomacy Jamestown survived (although, sadly, she may not have been too happy about this when she died). And of course, because of Rolfe, tobacco became popular. And yes, even though I know all of the words to the songs in Disney's Pocahontas, I ABSOLUTELY KNOW IT TO BE TERRIBLY HISTORICALLY INACCURATE, LOL. I find it fun to shriek, "Don't do it Pocahontas! Keep it true for grandad!" every time Smith and Pocahontas make googly eyes at one another.
A NOTE TO PHILLIPA GREGORY:
Credit for this fantastic expression of my despair goes to LNor19...who shares my pain.
Ahh, Phillipa Gregory, how you quicken my heartbeat to a rate where I think I shall fall over from distress and unbelief.
And before you claim to be a Tudor historian and then say you have only recently learned of the Northern Rebellion...I have no words for you, but once I have the time, I am dedicating a whole page on Tudor Rebellions for your benefit.
I'm certain you have set Queen Isabel to rolling in her grave for all eternity.
And sorry, you can't copyright an historical character. Sorry to inform you, but others wrote about Mary Boleyn before you did, in both fiction and nonfiction.
Hi, I'`m Puertorican and I`m a huge fan of the Tudors dynasty and the Tudors historical period. As I am a fan I know that many puertoricans are too and for them there should be a page in Spanish. Even though many of us are fully bilingual there still are some that don`t know much English. Thanks...
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We are encouraging members to write in each of their native languages, partly because some of our members from Italy and Spain have mentioned it before.. :-) I can add a page for Puerto Rico that I hope you will add to!
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That Ann of Cleves might be your choice of 'to be Queen' matches that of my son Brett who's argument that she was probably the best of Henry's wives matches my own, she outlived them all and got the most out of the post marriage stakes. Living where I do I easily visit Hever Castle and Lewis in Sussex where there is another Ann of C houses. The more one learns about Ann of C the more astute a character she becomes. And of course I can get to Hampton Court quiet easily too. Will be going to one of their Summer day talks and lectures on June 6th where Brett will also be giving one of the lectures. Am I lucky or am I lucky?
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You are indeed lucky! I actually have pictures of Hever throughout my house, with pictures of the exterior, gardens, etc. I have to be content with that!
I've always thought that historians are too quick to write off or to ignore Anne Cleves, she is certainly one of my favorites.
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So, yes, I am a bit like Lizzy, in that I am always the same, lol! In a rare fif, I've changed my profile pic and don't know if I can stand it. I felt like I needed a change, but I feel almost desperate to get my old Lizzy pic back. Thoughts? This has been my favorite pic of Elizabeth so far, but I don't know...I also love the fact that she is being portrayed by a little Irish girl, which is something like poetic irony to me!
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Yeah, they had a pretty good reason to hate her, too. It's part of my research at the moment to find out what she personally thought about the Irish and Ireland. There were lots of people involved in what happened in Ireland, and her own reactions seem to change over time. So its hard to figure out what she was really thinking. I've been reading a lot of Elizabethan era tracts about Ireland (mainly from New English authors), and it is some of the most depressing things I've ever read. And I thought what the Victorians were writing was awful!
I haven't had a chance to watch that episode again to listen her voice, have you? I'd like to have a daughter who looks and sounds just like her, which won't happen since I don't live in Ireland, and my husband has black hair, lol. I seriously doubt my blonde/brown hair will trump his black!
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Hi Semper, I have been reading Alison Weir's six wives of henry the 8th, and I am not liking Anne at all. The Tudors makes her story so romantic, and her downfall so sad, yet Weirs really deveops their relationhip as pretty rocky from the beginnng, making her downfall not as swift as it is portrayed in the show. Also, I knew of her unpopularity with the people, but Weir talks about it much more thoroughly, throughout their relationship, and I think the Tudors dosen't go into it except at her coronation. Henry's brutality is certainly developed by Jane, but he didn't read or understand his peoples feelings. I am not loving Anne so much, should I feel guilty?
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thank you for the lovely reply. I think you could find some medical records of that time, but it would be quite an undertaking, expensive, and possibly lead nowhere. My daughter went to school with a girl whose father was a medical historian at Penn. Wrote a book about the assasination of President Garfield, which I read when we were neighbors, but they moved to Boston, as his wife Drew Faust is now the president of Harvard. Boy, nothing like name dropping, but it's true. I know about the itunes lectures, but I did forget! I will definitely listen to some. Oddly, I think University of Penna,(I am an alumni and live in Phille), has a top Tudor History department, but would you believe the woman who lectures is on sabbatical? When she returns I think she would be more than happy to let me listen to some of her lectures, but being a big shot she only teaches one course. Please excuse my first post, the typos were atrotious. Didn't proof read, and got interrupted. I'm embarassed. Goodnight. It's late, and I must say the roto tilling was strenuous. I've had my cocktails, and face another uphill climb tomorrow. I'm still kicking, and I think someday I'll laugh about this, or at least tell my grandchildren about the depression, like my Father tells us. His stories are all about bootleggers, speakeasies,and stock trades. He came from a wealthy backround, but hey, everyone was poor then, just like now. I still have the internet, on demand cable, and 3 gorgeous brilliant daughters, although they are still spending not earning! My twins are freshman with 7 scholarships at UVM, but we still are paying huge tuitions, including my older one who stayed 5 years to write a thesis, and then went to grad school immediately But they are fab. I am sooo lucky. good night
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Reading early modern English perceptions of the Irish will make you cringe. Or at least, it makes me cringe. On the plus side, however, I've decided that I should write my dissertation in the humanistic tradition, just like E. Spencer did on his Views of the Present State of Ireland (Vievvs of the Prefent State of Irelande...gotta love early modern English printing).
Eudoxus: But what should this dissertation comprise of?
Irenius: Simple, Mary, it must necessarily address the control of early modern bodies and the symbolic representation placed upon them.
Eudoxus: Dost thou speak of Foucault, then, friend?
Irenius: Verily I do. As we read in Discipline and Punishment....
See? I need to channel my inner humanist, ha ha!
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